Elizabeth Wentworth - Wrong husband.

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The wife of Sir John Savile, MP, of Methley had different parents, and was not this Elizabeth Wentworth whose marriage(s) as far as I know have not yet been proven.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wentworth-980

This Savile is supposed to be married to the daughter of Thomas Wentworth, of Elmsall whose family group is clearly described within his profile's About:

(19) Thomas Wentworth, Esq., of North Elmsall, who died in 1590, having married Anne, daughter of Sir William Calverley,
http://www.archive.org/stream/wentworthgenealo01inwent#page/n190/mo...
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by whom he had, with other issue, a daughter Elizabeth, who married first, Richard Tempest, Esq., and secondly. Sir John Savile, Kt., one of the Barons of the Exchequer ; and a son and successor —
(20) Thomas Wentworth, Esq., of North Elmsall, who died about 1632-3, who had issue by his wife, daughter of Richard Goodricke, Esq.

The Thomas Wentworth (of Elmsall) who was Savile, MP's correct father-in-law has a geni profile in need of development, as it is missing the daughter Elizabeth who is Savile's real wife. We must not substitute one Elizabeth for the other, here.

The only problem with Elizabeth the subject of this discussion, is the erroneous connection to Savile. I would disconnect that marriage and leave our Elizabeth single until we can prove her marriage properly.

Savile's marriage to the daughter of the other Thomas Wentworth (of Elmsall) and Anne Calverley will have to wait until someone adds her (the other Elizabeth Wentworth) to the correct family group. It shouldn't be very difficult to develop that family group, with all the information already given in the father's About.

(I kind of shudder seeing the Wentworths get mixed up, lol. If permitted to manage it, I'll be happy to do so, although the Elmsall Wentworths are my more distant cousins.)

Okay, I looked again and see that this Elizabeth has all her info in the Overview. So instead of disconnecting from her husband (Savile), it would be best to leave her there and simply change her parents to the correct ones. (Then add the other Elizabeth who is missing from the other Thomas Wentworth's family group, per their well established pedigree.)

I will now proceed to try to fix this.

ref https://www.geni.com/discussions/257430?msg=1605838

Text of About in Thomas Wentworth, of Elmsall does indeed indicate he is father of Elizabeth Savile however he has no spouse, the suggested mother Anne Wentworth is married to another man and has wrong father (per the About of Thomas).

I think mother is actually Anne Elizabeth Wentworth who is married to Thomas Wentworth, of Elmsall , his dates/locations don't match perfectly but it certainly looks like he is a duplicate of Thomas Wentworth, of Elmsall

None of these profiles are MPs so there are no locks that require Curator assistance, I suggest merge the two Thomas profiles and create a daughter for that couple named Elizabeth. Merge the existing Elizabeth with the new profile (creating a parental conflict) then in her edit screen delete the connection to the wrong parents. Then create a replacement profile for daughter Elizabeth of that couple.

Thanks, Alex Moes , that sounds about right (I confused myself, again, lol). I will take it slow and methodical, enjoy the process, and try to follow your detailed suggestions step by step. If you don't hear from me again soon, it will probably be because it worked out as planned.

Still need help disconnecting Elizabeth (Wentworth) Savile from the relationship locked parents. She now has two brothers named "Thomas" which we do not want to merge because one is her real brother and the other belongs with the locked family group that she had somehow become mixed up in.

https://www.geni.com/discussions/257430?msg=1605912

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