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Yes, I agree…
If not already done I will detach John Bushyhead and spouse from capt. John Stuart and spouse
Will add notes summarizing this thread to this John.
Will add a possible son to Capt. John Stuart and wife with explanation and link to John Bushyhead and lock if down as tight as is allowed.
I think I can either copy this message thread to the discussion tab or make it a pdf uploaded to the media tab.
Anything else? Thank you for the discussion.
And we need Randees input, is there a way to disable the DNA propagation beyond Capt John Stuart, perhaps input from the WikiTree Stuart Name Project he references?
Susanna Barnevik C
Today at 5:10 AM I have none to give, inherited the profile. Thanks for fixing it!
Love,
Susanna
Erica Howton C
yesterday at 2:50 PM Luckily, I do! Heh. At least on geni, along with other curators.
David, do you agree with this course of action?
Susanna, would love your comments.
Kathryn Forbes
yesterday at 2:46 PM If I ran the world I would disconnect John Bushyhead from the Susannah Emory line.
Kathryn Forbes
yesterday at 2:45 PM in response to your latest message, yes, I think it's very likely that Susannah and Stuart had a son who was lost to history at some point. And that at a later date the man who was called "John Bushyhead" who married Nancy Foreman acquired the "Bushyhead" nickname either because of his hair or because someone connected him to John Stuart for some unknown reason (personality, location, whatever)
Erica Howton C
yesterday at 2:44 PM So then we just need two Bushyhead profiles - Susannah & John’s son, and “John Bushyhead.” With cross links, and detach John Bushyhead. I’m stopping myself from hair puns.
Kathryn Forbes
yesterday at 2:41 PM I think that website is a bunch of hooey. There are several possibilities for Bushyhead, among them:
1) Bushyhead was actually the son of Susannah and John Stuart. Stuart was in the Cherokee Nation for about twenty years, from 1755-1775 and very likely fathered more than one child during that time.
2) Bushyhead was the son of John Stuart and an unknown Cherokee woman.
3) Bushyhead wasn't related to Susannah or Stuart, he just had a big head of hair.
It seems very unlikely that a 1/8 Cherokee red-headed son of Susannah and John Stuart would have a son who was described as a full-blood. I guess it's genetically possible if that man had a full-blood wife, but it all seems implausible to me. There aren't any documents that support Ludovic Grant's first generations of descent and there are many other errors that have come to light as documents have turned up.
If there are any direct line male descendants of Bushyhead I guess a Y-DNA test would provide the answer whether the first man had a white or Cherokee father.
Erica Howton C
yesterday at 2:41 PM So in other words, the son Bushyhead described by Starr disappeared into the mists of history?
I take it we don’t have a Cherokee name for John Bushyhead?
I like this explanation for a mixup. It’s simple, and if proven otherwise, easily fixed.
Kathryn Forbes
yesterday at 2:22 PM Based on all the research I have done I think it's possible that Susannah and John Stuart DID have a son who was known as "Bushyhead" but that man is not the John Bushyhead who was the progenitor of the Bushyhead family. John Bushyhead married Nancy "Nannie" Foreman; they were the parents of seven children: Jesse, Isaac, George, Nancy/Nannie, Charles, Jacob, and Susan. He was a member of Gideon Morgan's Cherokee Regiment in the War of 1812, and appears in the records of the Cherokee Agency as "Chief Bushyhead."
This is the kicker for me. A son of Susannah Emory and John Stuart would have been only 1/8 Cherokee and in 1829, William Holland, a missionary, described him in a letter as "45-50 years old, a full blood speaks little English. Was once very sinful and full of vice." He and Nancy were living apart in 1835. Nancy Bushyhead is listed as the head of a household of seven, living on Candy's Creek (now Tennessee) near several of her siblings on the 1835 Cherokee Census, "Bushyhead" is listed on Mouse Creek, next to son Jesse. His death date is uncertain; he is recorded as voting against the Treaty of 1835 and on the Aquohee Resolution in 1838. He probably was Removed in the Trail of Tears detachment led by son Jesse, but he appears on no records in Indian Territory so is assumed to have died en route or shortly after arrival.
Erica Howton C
yesterday at 2:12 PM I removed “Stuart” as a name based on notes at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bushyhead-11
Added notes to profile:
Starr, Emmet. History of the Cherokee Indians. Oklahoma Yesterday Publications edition, Tulsa, OK. 1979. p. 577. Digitized edition at Starr < Archive.Org >
[John Stuart] "married Susannah Emory a quarterblood Cherokee and was known on account of his mop of hair as Oo-no-dut or Bushyhead. He and Susannah had one son, who never had any other name than Oo-no-dut and from that time forward the Stuarts in the Cherokee Nation and invariably been known as Bushyhead."
I’ll leave it to Kathryn to comment on https://sites.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2/bushyhead.htm
My inclination, so far, is to disconnect from parents. My real question Is how possible he was a son of Susannah Emory as Starr has. John Stuart would then be a step father.
Feel free to rearrange notes etc, I just added for my own reference
Managers of Oo-na-du-to ‘Bushyhead’ Stuart,
I am contacting you about this profile: Oo-na-du-to ‘Bushyhead’
I’m wondering how we shown this person?
There seems to be adequate documentation that he existed and is the progenitor of the surname Bushyhead. He has grand children who were well know as Native American. But his parentage is suspect.
Many sources are sure the Captain John Stuart is the father, only some identify Susannah (Emory) Martin as his mother.
WikiTree has a discussion that strongly suggests that she is not, and
I’ve found a length discussion that concludes that Bushyhead is actually a person named Tahlonteeskee, although the same article has numerous contradictions with WikiTree. And there is no record of his death, although it’s know that a son Jesse lead his clan in the relocation. @ https://sites.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2/bushyhead.htm
He apparently does not show up in any tribal records either.
It seems to me that we should disconnect him from his shown parents, or at least attach him to an unknown mother who “might” be wife of Capt. John Stuart.
The overview could contain statements or links to the questionable profiles?
Sincerely,
David Bigelow Volunteer Curator - USA
Oo-na-du-to ‘Bushyhead
