James Hanna, I - James Hanna

Bothers me, too, but the revisions show that all that info has been in the profiles from the beginning, or near the beginning; no bad merges brought the info in; the info is reiterated in the Overviews.

I too wonder about it.

I inherited the profile, and it's after my time (medieval being where I generally work) so the tools I use won't work here.

Erica Howton -- do you know this piece of the tree? Justin put a lot of this info in.

From Margaret Frame

Probably, she was a Hanna. A summary of a later lawsuit says, "Frame vs. Hannah.--David Frame, eldest son and heir of John Frame, deceased, vs. Joseph Hanna. Bill filed November, 1760. In 1748 John and Joseph bought land jointly on Naked Creek, and there was great intimacy between the families. John's wife was Margaret. The land was bought of Jennet Stark, alias McDonald." The context implies that Margaret was a Hanna. This relationship would also make her a sister of the James Hanna, whose daughter Elizabeth married her son James. Such cousin marriages were common in frontier settlements.

This reads like a conclusion of genealogist Justin Durand, who is a very fine researcher.

I googled Frame vs Hanna and saw this:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Frame-133

In 1762 he sued Joseph Hanna for failing to provide a promised deed: "Frame vs. Hannah.--David Frame, eldest son and heir of John Frame, deceased, vs. Joseph Hanna. Bill filed November, 1760. In 1748 John and Joseph bought land jointly on Naked Creek, and there was great intimacy between the families. John's wife was Margaret. The land was bought of Jennet Stark, alias McDonald."[1]

1. Complaint filed by David Frame against Joseph Hanna, Augusta County, Virginia, Court Order Book B, p. 337, May 1762, transcribed by Ron Frame.

And here is more:

https://phillipsplace.net/genealogy/ps03/ps03_059.html

1762 Legal Action:559, v. 1, p. 337 (Augusta County Court Judgments, May 1762 B) Chalkley’s characterization of the same lawsuit: May 1762: Frame vs. Hannah; David Frame, eldest son and heir of John Frame, deceased vs. Joseph Hanna. Bill filed November, 1760. In 1748 John and Joseph bought land jointly on Naked Creek, and there was great intimacy between the families. John’s wife was Margaret. The land was bought of Jennet Stark, alias McDonald.

559. Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, Extracted from the Original Court Records of Augusta County, 1745-1800, by Lyman Chalkley, Rosslyn, Virginia, The Commonwealth Printing Company, 1912.

Which you may be able to find in original publication below, if you don’t want the court document itself:

http://usgwarchives.net/special/chalkley/

But if you’re seeing different ways the Family is put together, then that’s on the genealogists. And personally, I would go with Justin’s Interpretations as being “best we know.”

Also, if your question is, “how do we know widow Margaret Frame was a daughter of James Hanna,” the answer is, we don’t have documents. There are no birth records and there are not likely to be birth records to be found for this kind of family in this time and place. So there’s the genealogy case made from the documents we do have; and again, personally, I would feel comfortable with the tree construction, although I’m a little confused about James Hanna’s wives. But the children seem solid.

You also have MT DNA test evidence, so I suppose that could better help identify Margaret’s mother.