Hywel ap Ifor Bach - Hywel Felyn

Hello Lewis Vivian Morgan.

You are correct in stating that he is not he is not found in Bartrum's charts. Bartrum thought it preposterous that same named cousin lines was a common occurence, although he did occasionialy chart some. But, if you study Bartrum's Cydrich 2 you will see that Hywel Felyn, a Gen 5 man (see page 6, Bartrum's introduction to his work: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173388585842) has sons in Gen 6 and 7. It was unusual for a Welsh man of that time to know his grandchildren, let alone father a son who could be as old as his grandchild. You'll notice in Cydrich 3 that Madog ap Hywel Felyn is also charted with sons spanning two generations. Wolcott has shown repeatedly that same named cousin lines were very common ... a sort of homage paid by a man to his uncle. The longest string I have seen covered about 8 generations.

Bartrum used a 40 year generational gap for men ( although he was more interested in showing relationships than chronologies), which in itself creates some problems. Wolcott uses an average of 32.5 years to get aprroximate dates. If you haven't already read it, Wolcott's Generational Gaps and the Welsh Laws ( http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id22.html ) will be very informative, and goes a long way towards explaining the difference between Bartrum's and Wolcott's charts.

Lewis Vivian Morgan — hello! Lovely to meet you! I’m glad Steven got to your message — I didn’t want you to be ignored, but I jus had knee replacement surgery, and the combination of ADHD and pain meds makes me not so reliable in communication. I will be back on my mental feet in a couple of days (they had me on my physical feet almost immediately. Not fun.) glad to have you on board!