Jane (unknown) Martin - Disputed origins

Erica Howton C

3/8/2023 at 7:44 PM

For Jane Martin who married Capt. Henry Martin, Sr.

Evidence needed to support Anthony Samuel as father of Jane. She’s not listed in his 1731 Will.
Don’t confuse her with Mary Samuel (abt 1715 - aft 1741), daughter of James Samuel, who married JOHN Martin, son of John Martin (d 1716) .

Susan Groff

3/10/2023 at 4:54 AM

I’m interested to see what you find out.

Tery Kempf PRO

3/15/2023 at 9:19 AM

Martin, Henry, "went to Virginia many years ago," (statement in will 1786); brother of Sparks Martin, Esq., of Withy Bush House, County Pembroke, who d. 1787. V. M., XIII, 197.

Martin, John, "went to Virginia many years ago"; brother of Henry Martin, preceding. V. M., XIII, 197-199.

Martin, John (in Virginia 1752, &c.), King and Queen and Caroline counties; in 1752 was attorney for John and George Martin, of Plymouth. Possibly this John Martin was identical with the preceding. Caroline County Records. V. M., XIII, 197-199.

Martin, John (in Virginia 1607, &c.); son of Sir Richard Martin, goldsmith, of London. Brown's Genesis, II, 943-944.

Martin, Ralph (in Virginia 1623), "of Bachain, Somersetshire, husbandman." V. M., XIX, 134.

Emigrates to Virginia

https://genealogytrails.com/vir/emmigrants.html

List is endless on people that emigrated to VA - should help on following peoples research

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 PRO

3/15/2023 at 9:34 AM

Jane Martin (unknown) is your 8th great grandmother.
You
→ Geneive Melba Hicks (Emerson)
your mother → John Mac Emerson
her father → Elma Emerson (Swaim)
his mother → Sallie Edward Swaim (Utterback)
her mother → Martha Adeline Utterback (Curd)
her mother → Sarah "Sallie" Baker Curd (Martin)
her mother → James William Martin
her father → Benjamin Martin
his father → Benjamin Martin, Sr.
his father → Jane Martin (unknown)
his mother

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 PRO

3/15/2023 at 10:01 AM

I have DNA confirmed my Martin line with other descendants of Benjamin Martin including a 5th cousin here on Geni who tested at Ancestry and elsewhere
I know nothing about Jane

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 12:28 PM

Well, this looks rather compelling ….

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I8510...

1722-1749 Spotsylvania County, Virginia Will Book A; [William Armstrong Crozier];

SAMUEL, ANTHONY, St. George's Parish, p. Apr. 3, 1744. Wit. Elizabeth Lovell, Ambrose Porter, George Nix. Ex. my father James Samuel, Senr., and John Calket, Senr. Leg. James Samuel, son of James Samuel, Senr. 100 acres of land with the plantation belonging to the same tract joining to William Bastin, in Essex Co; sister Hannah Samuel; brother Mark Samuel; my sister's two children John Martin and Mary Martin, the debt due me from Joseph Red; my father James Samuel, Senior. Page 383)

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 12:32 PM

That’s this Mary Martin who married John Martin, of Essex County

Jane’s son. So that’s the Samuel family connection.

Looks like geni is missing a few profiles?

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 PRO

3/15/2023 at 12:41 PM

https://www.geni.com/discussions/212173?authenticity_token=x7bV25bO...

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 12:52 PM

I think the dates and will we currently have showing for John Martin, son of Henry & Jane, who married Mary Samuel, are incorrect. They don’t match the Mary Samuel info.

I’ll copy it out from “about” on next message.

See dates here:

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I4924...

However, I don’t think Mike Marshall is showing correct wife and children.

See https://sites.google.com/site/johnjackmartinstokescountync/john-mar... which shows this John’s Will in 1748 executor Mary Martin.

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 12:54 PM

Old dates, wrong will, attached to John Martin, of Essex County

John Martin MP
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 1704 Virginia, Colonial America
Death: August 05, 1783 (74-83) Virginia, Colonial America

Will

will probated October 1783

Bridgett Spindle is mentioned in John Martin's will Will of John Martin dtd 5 Aug 1783, recorded in Caroline Co., VA.

Will info:
1. wife not named
2. dau Mary Gaunt and children (Lunsford Gaunt??)
3. dau Bridget Spindle and children (married John Spindle)
4. dau Christian Eubank and children
5. Ambrose Blackburn in trust for daughter Ann Bowler and children
6. son John Martin
7. son Isaac Martin
8. son William Martin
9.?widow of son Henry Martin and children
10. widow of Ambrose Martin and children

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 1:05 PM

From https://sites.google.com/site/johnjackmartinstokescountync/martin-a...

Conclusions

Considering all the evidence presented above, and the fact that DNA testing has proven that John “Jack” Martin is not genetically related to the person previously thought to be his father, I am convinced that the parents of John “Jack” Martin builder of the Rock House were James Martin and Mary (Maiden Name Unknown) Martin.

The natural question becomes, “Who are John Martin’s grandparents?”

If you peruse the online forums, web pages and various other online sources, you will notice a great deal of research and meticulous study of the Virginia Martin families by Alecia Tipton. She has spent years trying to sort out the various families in Caroline, Essex, King and Queen, and other counties. It is from her research and the research of others that some in the Martin family have formed the “opinion” that the parents of James Martin, and the grandparents of John “Jack” Martin are John and Mary Samuel Martin of Essex County, Virginia.

There are no legal documents or bible records found to this point that can conclusively prove this fact. In order to continue with this research, a Martin male with a strong ancestral tree leading to John and Mary Samuel Martin who either has had his DNA tested or is willing to do so and who is willing to share the results with other interested researchers needs to be found.

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 1:43 PM

Looks like he had two wives.

Will of John Martin

see images
pre deceased his father Henry Martin
Will written 19 January 1740, Parish of St. Anne’s, Essex County, Virginia
Executor wife Mary Martin
Witnesses Anthony Samuel (brother in law); William Dobson; Casandrene Dobson (her mark)
to wife Mary, third part of land; after her demise, it goes to son James
to son William, 15 shillings
to son John, 15 shillings
to four children: Sarah, James, Mary, and George
to wife Mary, third part of the rest of my estate, the remainder to be divided between the four children that I had by my wife Mary
if my wife is with child, that child my wife’s portion
my wife Mary and her father and Anthony Samuel, Jr. as executors
proved 16 June 1741 by Mary Martin and James Samuel (brother in law) at a court held for Essex County at Tappahonnock
inventory of estate presented 21 June 1741

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 PRO

3/15/2023 at 2:43 PM

Differentiating John Martin, of Essex County and John Martin, of Spotsylvania County

Erica Howton C

3/15/2023 at 3:24 PM

And John Martin, of Prince Edward County & John Martin, of Prince Edward County

Chipping away at it.

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