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Family with Fin, Finn, and Glaz Surnames

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All three are Surnames I care about for various reasons, and in the past I created Vikhna Sarah Glaz based on a record in JewishGen / LitvakSig - info on her Timeline: https://www.geni.com/profile/6000000186341449915/events/60000001862...
1897 Lithuania Census - Debeikiai / Debeikiai / Vilkomir / Kovno -- Address: Sterkanski “ugol” " -- Landowner: Iosel Fin -- should allow folks to find it on JewishGen -- 11 members - 8 children of Iosel

There are 8 children currently on Geni, shown as
Leyba Glaz; Khana-Feiga (Glaz) Finn; Paulina (Glaz) Glass; Ida (Glaz) Cohen; Ethel (Etil) Glaz; Abraham David Glaz; Rose Landy and Rivka (Aryan) Fin

Her husband had been listed as N. N. Glaz, so just a place holder, but now has been changed by Aviad Ben Izhak - into somebody else apparently entirely different named Aron Orel Aryan

Aviad - will you please explain why you are making all these changes to this family today

Rivka had been Rivka Raisa (Blokh) Fin earlier today - when two versions of her with that name were merged by Aviad , and then her name changed by Aviad. - she is Rivka Raisa Fin
Erica Howton - you worked on Rivka in the past and seem to find SmartCopy links much more helpful than I do -- do you understand the changes made to her today, and do they seem correct to you?

Rose is now Rose Yetta (Landy) Spencer = Rose Landy
Daughter of Nathan Landy; Aron Aryan; Ida (Savin) Landy and Vikhna (Zarchaite) Glaz

The other 6 children are apparently still birth surname Glaz

Khana-Feiga (Glaz) Finn was added as William Zeev Finn's mother by Jeff Meyerson (c) on Feb 20, 2020

After that, several siblings were added by Private User on Oct 10, 2021 :
Leyba Glaz and Paulina (Glaz) Glass as Khana-Feiga's sibling - then
Ethel (Etil) Glaz and Abraham David Glaz. and Rosa (Raisa) Glaz
each in turn as Paulina's sibling

So that is the other 6 of the 8 children

At the time of a merge of the two versions of Rivka on November 23, 2020 neither version had parents or siblings -
Erica Howton at the time you worked on her in 2022, that was still the case
Vikhna Sarah Zarchaite was added as Rivka Raisa (Blokh) Fin's parent by Aviad Ben Izhak 5 hours ago
That seems to be what started this sequence of changes

From the 1897 Lithuania Census:
FIN, Iosel -- Age 58 -- Father: Shaul -- head - Comments:shoemaker -- born: Uzpaliai -- 1897-58=1839
And
GLAZ, Vikhna -- Age 75 -- Father: Leib -- mother-in-law of head
So - GLAZ, Vikhna
is Mother of Iosel's wife
Iosel's wife = FIN, Khana-Feiga -- Age 43 -- Father: Sroel -- wife of head

So although in the first post I refer to 8 children of Iosel on the 1897 Lithuania Census

And also to 8 children currently on Geni,
-- the 8 children currently on Geni that I am looking at and describing above are not Iosel's children but rather
the children of Vikhna (Zarchaite) Glaz

The children of Iosel and his wife Khana-Feiga (Glaz) Finn
currently on Geni are:
Simon (Fin) Finn; Bessie (Fin) Karp; Abraham (Fin) Finn; Hyman (Fin) Finn; Sora Fin; Jennie (Fin) Glass; Annie (Fin) Passin; Ethel Fin; Israel Fin; Leizer Fin and William (Fin) Finn
The 8 listed on the 1897 Lithuania Census are
FIN, Abram-Ovel -- Age 17 -- son -- Comments: He is absent -- Living: Jonava. 1897-17=1880 -- Abraham J. Finn
FIN, Khaim -- Age 17 -- son - Hyman Finn
FIN, Leizer -- Age 3 -- son -- 1897-3=1894 - Leizer Fin
FIN, Srol -- Age 4 -- son -- 1897-4=1893 - Israel Fin
FIN, Sora -- Age 13 -- daughter -- 1897-13=1884 - Sora Fin
FIN, Mera-Zelda -- Age 14 -- daughter -- Comments: Cook-She is absent. - Living: Jonava -- 1897-14=1883 - Jennie Glass whose gravestone names her Miriam Zelda Glass daughter of Yosef HaLevi
FIN, Nesa -- Age 10 -- daughter -- 1897-10=1887 - who, based on her Gravestone, is Annie Passin
FIN, Etna -- Age. 8 -- daughter -- 1897-8=1889 - Ethel Fin

The additional 3, not listed on that 1897 Census,
are Simon (Fin) Finn; Bessie (Fin) Karp and William (Fin) Finn

Simon Fin was added as Khana-Feiga (Glaz) Finn's son by Jeff. On Feb 20, 2020
His death notice does not mention any parents or siblings -- No photo of gravestone or memorial currently attached to his photo

Bessie (Fin) Karp was added as Bussa Fin - as Khana-Feiga (Glaz) Finn's daughter by Jeff on Feb 20, 2020
Her Death Notice/obit - https://www.newspapers.com/article/asbury-park-press-obituary-for-b... - says survived by a brother, William Finn, Chelsea, Mass.; two sisters, Mrs. Anna Passin, Los Angeles, Calif. and Mrs. Yetta Miller, Madison, Wis

There was a William Finn added as Eva Finn's husband by Anita on Apr 23, 2019
and
a William Zeev Finn added as Evelyn Korim's spouse by Jeff on Feb 20, 2020
And these two were merged by Jeff on Feb 20, 2020 --
at which time Anita's had a spouse and children - no parents or siblings
Jeff's had parents, spouse, and siblings - no children
William's Gravestone is https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2021/192/UNCEM_2166233_978fb9a...
His Death Notice does not mention parents or siblings

Progress - Rose Landy has been unmerged and is no longer in this family --now Rosa Schneider = Rosa (Raisa) Glaz is

I don't understand the problem
Please look at the reference
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G6H3-NLL
Vishna had two husbands
The first was aron Orel aryan from whom she had only one daughter - Rivka Reiza.
The other children are from Israel Glaz
Please check the years of birth and the birth name
In the reference above you can find Vishna's parents

I have added everything to the the tree and fixed the fathers for Vishna's children
Best
Aviad

Aviad Ben Izhak
I do not see any sources for that tree on FamilySearch - no documents at all -- so how can it prove anything??

Am I looking in the wrong place? Do you see documentation any place there?
If not - why are you adding people based on an unsourced Tree?

Also -- why in heavens name didn't you leave the profile created as the father of all the Glaz children as their father, adjusting his name, and just create a new profile for the other? - would have taken less work, and been fairer to the other Manager, the identity of whose profile you have now completely changed
Please consider in future, if anything similar arises.

Another of the Managers has gone thru and undone the changes done based on the unsourced Tree(s) - and provided links to Ancestry Trees with Documentation.

For my reference, possibly others will appreciate - this is another Discussion about this Fin family: https://www.geni.com/discussions/253027

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