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Diego Lainez - Medlands

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Thursday, May 18, 2023
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Erica Howton maybe this will become clearer to me tomorrow after I've rested, but where I'm still stumped is that this is the only mention I found for Diego Lainez on the Medlands link shared:

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SPANISH%20NOBILITY%20EARLY%20MEDIE...

JIMENA Díaz (-1106). The "Corónicas" Navarras record that "este meo Çid" married "dona Xemena, nieta del rey don Alfonsso, filla del conte don Diago de Asturias"[510]. "Ruderigo Didaz" accepted as his wife "Scemena filia Didago ducis de terra Asturiense" and granted property "in territorio Kastelle…in Cavia" to her, including "villas que michi saccarunt Albaro Faniz et Albaro Albariz sobrinis meis", with "comes Petro Assuriz et comes Garsea Ordonniz" as guarantors, by charter dated 19 Jul 1074[511]. "Rodric Diaz et uxor mea Scemena" donated property to the abbey of Silos by charter dated 12 May 1076[512]. She attempted to retain control of Valencia after her husband's death but finally evacuated the city Apr/May 1102. The Anales Toledanos record the death in 1106 of “Dona Ximena su muger [del Cid]”[513]. m ([19 Jul] 1074) RODRIGO Díaz de Vivar "El Cid Campeador", son of Diego Laínez & his wife Teresa Rodríguez (Vivar near Burgos [1043]-Valencia [10] Jul 1099, bur Cardeña). Alférez of Sancho II King of Castile 1066. Lord and independent ruler of Valencia 1094-1099.

Using the naming patterns, Diego Lainez's father 'should' be named Lain, not Flain. Otherwise, he'd be Diego Flainez. Right? In fact, the Medlands page has several people with the surname Flainez, but this particular Diego who was the father of 'El Cid' is clearly Lainez and not Flainez.

So I'm sure the Medlands reference above has from Diego and Teresa to their son 'El Cid' and his wife Jimena Diaz correct, but I'm not sure Diego has the correct parents connected. I can't reconcile his Lainez surname with a father name Flain Nunez.

Using the naming patterns, Diego Lainez's father 'should' be named Lain, not Flain. Otherwise, he'd be Diego Flainez. Right?

No. Flain and Lain are the same. Munio and Nuno are used interchangeably also.

Our sources are reconciling (confusingly) different iterations of the same people, depending on when the source was written, and in what language.

Medieval people can’t be checked based on names, you have to look at biographies. Im not even sure they had fixed surnames at all in this era, much less hereditary ones,

I’ll look now to ensure Diego is correctly parented.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CastilNob.htm

FOUND THE RIGHT FOLKS! Now I can rest easy tonight and work on it more tomorrow. lol

NUÑO Laínez, son of [LAÍN Fernández & his wife ---] . The Historia Roderici names “Nuño Laínez” as the son of “Laín Fernández”[372]. The "Corónicas" Navarras does not directly name the father of "Nuyno Laniz", but the context of the narrative as a whole implies that he was the son of Laín Fernández[373]. The Nobiliario of Pedro Conde de Barcelos names "Nuño Lainez" as the son of "Lain Fernandez"[374].

m EILO Fernández, daughter of [FERNÁN Rodríguez & his wife ---]. The "Corónicas" Navarras name "Pero Ferrandiz et una fija…don Elo" as the children of "Ferrant Rodríguiz", stating that the latter married "Nuyno Laniz" although it does not state directly the parentage of the latter[375]. The Historia Roderici names “Pedro Fernández and a daughter named Eylo” as the children of “Fernán Rodríguez”, adding that Eilo married “Nuño Laínez”[376]. The Nobiliario of Pedro Conde de Barcelos names "D. Fernando Rodriguez, D. Ello" as the children of "D. Fernando Rodriguez", adding in an earlier passage that "Nuño Lainez" married "D. Ello"[377].

Nuño & his wife had [one child]:

1. [LAIN Núñez (-after 1063). The "Corónicas" Navarras name "Layn Nunyz" as the son of "Nuyno Laniz" and his wife[378]. The Historia Roderici names Laín Núñez as son of “Nuño Laínez…[and] Eylo”[379]. The Nobiliario of Pedro Conde de Barcelos names "Lain Nuñez" as the son of "Nuño Lainez" and his wife[380]. He subscribed charters of Fernando I King of Castile between 1049 and 1063[381].] m ---. The name of Lain's wife is not known. Lain & his wife had [two] children:

a) DIEGO Laínez (-[1058]). The Historia Roderici names Diego Laínez as son of “Laín Nuñez”[382]. The "Corónicas" Navarras name "Iac Layniç" as the son of "Layn Nuniç"[383]. The Nobiliario of Pedro Conde de Barcelos names "D. Diego Lainez, D. Fernando Lainez" as the children of "Lain Nuñez"[384]. “...Didaco Flaginiz” subcribed the charter dated 29 Oct 1047 under which [presumed to be his wife´s uncle] “Nunu Albariz et uxor mea domna Goto” donated the church of Santa María “in riuulo Kabie iuxta terminos de...Burgos” to San Pedro de Cardeña[385]. He captured the castles of Ubierna, Urbel and La Piedra from Navarre, probably after 1054[386]. m TERESA Rodríguez, daughter of RODRIGO Álvarez & his wife Teresa Núñez. The "Corónicas" Navarras records that "Díac Layniç" married "fija de Roy Díaz Álvariz d'Esturias"[387]. The Historia Roderici records that the mother of Rodrigo Díaz el Campeador was “the daughter of Rodrigo Álvarez…”[388]. The Nobiliario of Pedro Conde de Barcelos records that "D. Diego Lainez" married "D. Teresa Nuñez"[389]. Diego & his wife had [three] children:

i) [daughter . If "sobrinis" can be interpreted as nephew in the charter dated below, the mother of Álvaro Yáñez was the sister of Rodrigo Díaz. If that is correct, the chronology suggests that she must have been his older sister.] m JUAN ---, son of ---. One child:

(a) ÁLVARO Yáñez (-after 19 Jul 1074). "Ruderigo Didaz" accepted as his wife "Scemena filia Didago ducis de terra Asturiense" and granted property "in territorio Kastelle…in Cavia" to her, including "villas que michi saccarunt Albaro Faniz et Albaro Albariz sobrinis meis", with "comes Petro Assuriz et comes Garsea Ordonniz" as guarantors, by charter dated 19 Jul 1074, subscribed by "…Albaro Hanniz, Albaro Albariz…"[390].

ii) [daughter . If "sobrinis" can be interpreted as nephew in the charter dated below, the mother of Álvaro Alvárez was the sister of Rodrigo Díaz. If that is correct, the chronology suggests that she must have been his older sister.] m ÁLVARO ---, son of ---. One child:

(a) ÁLVARO Alvárez (-after 19 Jul 1074). "Ruderigo Didaz" accepted as his wife "Scemena filia Didago ducis de terra Asturiense" and granted property "in territorio Kastelle…in Cavia" to her, including "villas que michi saccarunt Albaro Faniz et Albaro Albariz sobrinis meis", with "comes Petro Assuriz et comes Garsea Ordonniz" as guarantors, by charter dated 19 Jul 1074, subscribed by "…Albaro Hanniz, Albaro Albariz…"[391].

iii) RODRIGO Díaz de Vivar (Vivar near Burgos [1043]-Valencia [10] Jul 1099, bur monastery of San Pedro de Cardeña). The Historia Roderici names Rodrigo Díaz el Campeador as son of “Diego Laínez…[and] the daughter of Rodrigo Álvarez”[392]. The "Corónicas" Navarras name "Rodric Diaç" as the son of "Díac Layniç" and his wife "fija de Roy Díaz Álvariz d'Esturias", specifying that "el rey don Sancho de Castieylla" raised him after his father died[393]. Known as "El Cid Campeador". He was brought up in the household of Sancho, future Sancho II King of Castle, and fought with the prince at the battle of Graus 8 May 1063[394]. Alférez of Sancho II King of Castile 1066[395]. "Ruderigo Didaz" accepted as his wife "Scemena filia Didago ducis de terra Asturiense" and granted property "in territorio Kastelle…in Cavia" to her, including "villas que michi saccarunt Albaro Faniz et Albaro Albariz sobrinis meis", with "comes Petro Assuriz et comes Garsea Ordonniz" as guarantors, by charter dated 19 Jul 1074[396]. “Munnioni comite, Gundissalbo comite, Didaco Gundissalbiz...Gundissalbo Albariz, Albaro Gundissalbiz, Rodrico Diaz” subscribed the charter dated 1 Jun 1079 under which "Maria" donated property “in Aquilare medietatem...monasterio de Sancti Martini...alio monasterio in Aquilare, Sancta Juliana” to San Pedro de Cardeña[397]. "...Rodrigo Didaz..." confirmed the charter dated 8 May 1080 under which King Alfonso VI decreed that no representative of the king could enter Sahagún[398]. Lord and independent ruler of Valencia 1094-1099. Dozy highlights a passage, written by Ibn-Bassâm in 1109, which records that "un chien de Galice appelé Rodrigue et surnommé le Campéador" captured Valencia in "488"[399]. The "Corónicas" Navarras record that "meo Çid" died in Valencia in May 1132 and was buried "a Sanct Per de Cardeyna, prob de Burgos"[400]. The Chronicon Burgense records the death in 1099 of “Rodericus Campidoctor”[401]. m ([19 Jul] 1074) JIMENA Díaz, daughter of conde DIEGO Fernández & his second wife Cristina Fernández (-1106). The "Corónicas" Navarras record that "este meo Çid" married "dona Xemena, nieta del rey don Alfonsso, filla del conte don Diago de Asturias"[402]. "Rodric Diaz et uxor mea Scemena" donated property to the abbey of Silos by charter dated 12 May 1076[403]. She attempted to retain control of Valencia after her husband's death but finally evacuated the city in [Apr/May] 1102. The Anales Toledanos record the death in 1106 of “Dona Ximena su muger [del Cid]”[404].

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_La%C3%ADnez_(desambiguación)

Diego Laínez or Diego Flaínez (ca. 1023-1058), Spanish nobleman, father of Rodrigo Díaz "el Campeador".

Medlands is not the same as Torres Sevilla-Quiñones de León, Margarita Cecilia, "El linaje del Cid", Annals of the University of Alicante. Medieval History. n.º 13 (2000-2002). ISSN 0212-2480, pp. 343-360. < PDF > page 19. She shows Rodrigo > Diego > Flain > Munio > Flain (?Fernandez)

www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000194714967853&size=large

Medlands has Rodrigo > Diego > Lain > Nuño > Lain > Fernando

Medlands has 6 gens, the profesor has 5. .

Yep, I've taken their line using the info from Medlands that I posted previously and Googling other sources and got them back to Lain Calvo and his father listed below,.

Gundesinto de Castrogériz, Conde de Castrogeriz

I don't know why Lain's profile shows his name as Lois Calvo, Juez de Castilla

Laín Calvo, Juez de Castilla

?

Good article on his dad here:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/La%C3%ADn_Calvo_(Retrato)

Earlier I had seen a reference to one of the wives in these connections being her husband's first cousin. Now I can't remember which couple that was. Maybe I'll figure that out tomorrow.

Regarding the chart, it doesn't follow the naming patterns and Medlands does. The info I posted above has their names correct and they do follow the naming patterns until they get to Lain Calvo. His surname doesn't seem to have anything to do with his father's name.

Anyway, I'm using the Medlands connections since they have all the info that fits including the naming patterns. I'm wondering if that Flain line is due to the 1st cousins somewhere in the lines having married and maybe that created some confusion. I'm happy using Medlands.

The difference is more about genealogical debate, I think.

I wouldn’t suggest using naming patterns from the 11th century without a mastery of Medieval Latin. And, there’s also no such thing as “correct names” from the 11th century, particularly when the genealogy is filtered through later sources and differing contemporary historians constructions.

Not to say I disagree with Cawley. Just that I can’t do this in an hour, and without considering the work of the specialist in the field, which Cawley is not (he’s a generalist).

From https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_D%C3%ADaz_de_Vivar

Between 2000 and 2002 the genealogical works of Margarita Torres found that the Diego Flaínez (Didacum Flaynez, 22 mere Leonese and oldest variant of Diego Laínez) who cites the Roderici History as a parent, and in general, all the ancestors on the father's side that the Latin biography collects, coincide exactly with the lineage of the illustrious Leone in various works of the 21st century.24 25

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarita_Torre

I cleaned up Laín Calvo, Juez de Castilla

He seems pretty legendary.

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