John Sledge - I do not believe John Sledge is part of this Maddox line from Maryland nor are the descendants of Samuel Maddox of St Marys MD.

Hello Byron,

Thanks for the note. In looking briefly I was/am slightly confused. I am not sure why the name on the profile was changed to John Sledge. When I was last working here in 2020 this profile was a "William Notley Maddox".
Seeing no reason or sourcing for the change. I believe it should be changed back to William Notley Maddox.

Sincerely,

J. Morgan Maddox

It seems [Christine Veronica West made changes to add [Martha "Patsy" or "Polly" Maddox to this tree.

I am in the middle of something else and will look into Martha Sledge and her husband Samuel Maddox later this week.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

J. Morgan Maddox

Actually WIlliam notley Maddox is also wrong...but those of us who worked this line over the years have never worked with Geni. I'm only here because I'm needing help with my other half from Lithuania. Here's more proof of the Wm notley line which also doesnt belong.

I did send it but I did not see that you granted me co-manager status either. Please do so. Here's what I've posted again on Fam Search...its hard to erase mistakes so widely distributed on the internet, but we're trying:

Fam Search may ask if you want to MERGE This Notley b 1738 with a "William Notly Maddox" born a 1731. That profile is not the same person as this "Notley Maddox b 1738. LKQ-TKQ. That William Notley is proven a son of another Notley Maddox and Mary Warren.
Researcher Diana Bara of Colorado found the error and clarifies it, hoping this will finally be put to bed. She wrote: William the true son of the Notley Maddox and Mary Warren married Sarah Ford and died in 1779 in Charles County, MD. I have his administration accounts, his father's will, that was not proved, as well as numerous other records to prove this. I am now in the process of correcting Family Tree. William Maddox K2QJ-6XR is my direct ancestor. I descend through his daughter Ann Maddox who married Thomas Mercer Swann. Fredonia Webster's 1957 book, The Maddox Family of Maryland, tried to place five men with the name of Notley Maddox into families. She has placed Notly Maddox who died in Kentucky in 1801/7, as the son of Notley and Mary (Warren) Maddox without proper research. To make him fit the name William was added to Notly. Had she properly researched William Maddox, named in the 1757 will of his father Notley, she would have discovered that he died in 1779 in MD and never went to KY.

From Byron Maddox, webmaster of the 1990s "Maddox Family Website": Regretably, I published the incorrect information that stemmed in part from Fredonia Webster and also from Richard Stevens' book, "Snow Hill Remembered" commissioned for another family. Years later,, in 2023 FamilySeaarch asked if I should Merge the two men. ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Do NOT merge them. The Kentucky Notley b 1738 MD, d 1801 Mason Co Ky 1801descends from Cornelius Maddocke and yes, his descendants did change their name from Maddocke to Maddox and Yes there are Notleys in this family as there are in Samuel's who was a traveling companion and friend of provincial Gov Thomas Notley. I urge fellow genealogists to not make decisions on thse people by coincidences but rather evidence and Diana did indeed convince me...FINALLY!

Hello all!
Sorry to cause confusion. I have been doing some merging, and errors always crop up. I agree that Martha Sledge came out of nowhere. It's insurmountably time-consuming to consult with everyone before merging because there are so many merges to be done and many(most?) profile managers are inactive -or otherwise fail to reply. Again, apologies.
In an attempt to rectify the inaccuracy, I've taken the liberty of updating the wife of Samuel Maddox (1771) to Martha "Patsy" GILPIN Maddox -with reference to information from MyHeritage. It looks legit to me. If this is not correct or unsupportable, please disconnect her.
Christine

Martha Patsy is descended from our line a bit later. See the Notley if he's on Geni b 1802, married to Theodosia Caldwell. I think Patsy, who I'm very familiar with, is in there as I am, but Related to Charles Maddox b 1834.

I have noticed Geni tends to borrow data from the other tree comppanies but they dont borrow from Geni. I've found more than a few mistakes, in part because perhaps Geni relies on unrelated hobby genealogists to add profiles to flush out their "World Tree"... In other genealogy circles, Families originate the profiles, not unrelated people working off of documents found here and there. And this 'manager' thing Geni requires and awards to those who FIRST create profiles...well that just adds an impossible layer of red tape. I'm here not for THIS part of my ancestry--I did it years ago,, but because Geni has unique expertise overseas in other languages. This is just a distraction I have to deal with to right the mistakes on my Maddox surname..

Agam. please use your manager power to make me a c0-manager so I can disassociate this Wm my my tree. To do that, click on this William, look in the upper right to ACTIONS, even if it appears grayed out. Go in there to MANAGER OPTIONS...and you can invite someone (ME) in there. thx

Hi Private User

Yes, I agree that it can be difficult to correct errors in Geni when others have 'Manager' status for particular profiles. Have you tried making the corrections anyway? I think if you're Connected to a profile you automatically have editing privileges. I can usually make changes to profiles I'm connected to -but that may be because I am a GeniPRO member?

Also, I agree that borrowing data from 'hobby' trees can introduce misleading information. On the other hand, Geni is here to receive everybody's self-created/researched trees for the purpose of cross-linking into the world web. Mistakes will inevitably happen, as relatively few contributors are professional genealogists, or have the requisite wherewithal to identify errors, especially when/if they merge profiles (merging duplicates being a key to webbing the big tree). I find merging profiles one of the exciting things about Geni. Merging profiles while cross-checking (with help from the Consistency Checker and MyHeritage databases) is fun and, I think, useful. Notwithstanding the occasional clear errors or "hmmm..." situations.

I'm not sure if you're asking me to add you as a Manager to any particular profiles? I'd be happy to do so if you let me know which ones... you can copy/paste the profile links from your browser address bar.

If you cannot make changes/updates to other kinds of profiles due to your subscriber status, I would be happy to do so on your behalf.

Lovely to hear from you. As I said, hardly anyone responds to messages on here.
Christine.

Are you a Geni affiliated volunteer, or a Geni staff member, or a relative of this line?

Great if you can get me co-manager status of Hezekiah Maddox b 1777 who IS in my line but mor eimportantly William Notley Maddox b 25 June 1731. He's the one that is a complex error that back in the 90s, I published as in my line in error. Sadly, the Geni message system doens't allow uploading documents,...Im actually looking at the error which I'd send you if you wrote me using a regular email system to my own, maddoxfamilywebsitekc@gmail.com

The page containging the error I printed which originally came from Fredonia Webster Maddox in 1957 is on the book "Snow Hill Remembered, by author Richard Stevens who was commissioned to outline the Harris Family, married into the maddox's. the error is on page 209, where he names this William Notley Maddox that needs to be removed from our line in Kentucky.

I don't like messing with lines like his that no one can cite other than from Stevens and Fredonia's book---all without birth certificates of themselves and their children. We're talking about 1784 immigrants fm Maryland to Kentucky, daniel boone country. Its well researched, just not on Geni. The correct parent of Hezekiah Maddox is Notley Maddox, HERE
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LJKQ-TKQ

And his line is not Samuel Maddox's But Cornelius Maddox's. You may not know me but I published some of this confusion from a bad published source... my site was widely read because I had at one time 10,000 Maddoxes on it. I shut the site down eventually because it was too much to handle for one person and my associates who were also too busiy to service the emails. I abandoned it after Ancestry bought out Family Tree Maker and started a well funded subscriber service, a s you probably are aware.

Since my lines are correct on FamilySearch and Ancestry, but wrong on Geni, I just wanted to fix the damage and get some Pro manager to do it since they are named as managers and i have no intention of working the line on three different tree organizations. Hence, I've issued a few Collaboration notices on the right trees, but since I'm not a Pro member, I dont intend to go looking for this one: For all I know, its already in your system but I can't see it.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LJKQ-TKQ

Thanks for writing...honestly I don't know how to get rid of this WM Notley record without stepping on someone else's work. Hezikiah simply isn't his son nor are the rest of them.

You guys must be really busy fixing issues! If you're interested in repairs, you need to work through a msg system that allows document uploads. I have em! I've already discussed this with Mike at Geni, I guess in LA.,...hope he has the ability to make it easier for families and people to want to actually collaborate and get things done.

If ya got an idea for me, let me know if we can do this easier than my experience with Geni so far. thanks

Hello again Private User

According to the Geni tree, you are my 16th cousin once removed (with Sir Gyles Hill <Sir Gyles Hill as our common ancestor).

I'm not a curator, just an enthusiast. My GeniPRO subscription (it's actually quite cheap) which allows me to edit profiles connected to me -unless they're locked Master Profiles. I've been using Geni since April last year, and I'm now pretty good at it! I also subscribe to Ancestry.com (home of my "master tree") and MyHeritage -which allows me to quickly access their databases via Geni profiles.

Unless I am already listed as a manager of a particular profile, I won't be able to add you as a manager: only currently listed managers can do that. However, as a start, I have written to the managers of William Notley Maddox and Hezekiah Maddox to ask if they would add me (then I could probably add you as a manager too).

In the meantime, I am happy to do what I can on your behalf. I'll send you an email so you can forward the documents you've mentioned. I am pretty sure I am able to upload documents to any profiles, even if I'm not a manager.

As for your concerns about changing others' work: in my experience, only a percentage of personal tree uploaders stick around to monitor their profiles, which hinders progress somewhat. Always remember that edits, connections and merges are reversible if necessary: the information sits in 'layers' and technically is never lost.

I'll have a look at the info you send me and then get back to you on updating Geni.

Cheers,
Christine

Thanks, Illl look forward to your email address. I'll want to know how involved you are to the Maddox line.... I can send you as little as just this issue or, in fact send you digitized information covering much of the Samuel Maddox Line. I have that original 1957 manuscraipt that covers much of Samuel's line, titled Southern Mariyland Families by Fredonia Webster. I'm sure most of it is very accurate, except for a part abt one thread migrating to Ky that's my line.

Its really too bad that Geni's software's not been rewritten to make it easier for most ALL families to not require 'enthusiasts' as you call yourself. Geni hobby enthusiasts are very, very helpful with Lithuanian Americans, because they're bilingual in Lithuanian and Polish. I do hope youll be able to follow that link over to FamSearch and insert that one key individual to the children and also to his parent--then the job is done. I could go grab the same link over on Ancestry if you need to validate that one as well. BTW, Patsy Maddox married into the Harris line....she was in the faimily "Snow Hill Remembered" by Richard Stevens, who was an author genealogist paid 30 years ago to publish the Harris line and I have that book, of course and used it a great deal on my website long before we had much internet help. It made my Maddox familywebsite very popular back in those days. I guess I should spring for the fifty bucks to put it back on the internet. Last I saw a few years ago, it was on the "Wayback Machine" so I was cool lwith that since I stopped updating it. At my age of 76, I'm actually trying to hand off my family hobby to key family members who will maintain their lines for their children and into the fiture. I got a lot of help fro the various line's elderly and it just seemed right to pay it forward so I can be much less er, enthusiastic about doing data entry. Not more more boring, IMHO. I wrote data entry programs as a programmer for data entery clerks, not for me! heh heh.

Keeps milin! byron

@ Hezekiah Maddox Hi Christine, I see Genis given me manager access to Hezekiah Maddox B 1777. But I can't find a way to change his PARENTS which are wrong and add a new one and his wife, and to help get his children right if theyre missing..

What I need is to change his father to Notley Maddox b 1738 which may not be on Geni and needs to be created Below, I have his Particulars and also his wife's Violetta Boswell.

ALso below, I have their children's names as listed on FamilySearch. Once those two are completed with your help, I'll be satisfied and since I've also been named Manager of the wrong father William Notley Maddox, my only interest is to look deeply at his record to make sure nothing in his Sources point to the true children of Hezekiah's as defined in the below 8 or so children who are hezekiah's siblings. I think the William Notley is probably inaccurate on other counts altho that isn't my concern. Here's as detailed as I can get about the issues without the ability to upload documents to you. I really dont want to put them in Williams profile, but if Notley b 1738 is visible to me, I'll upload documents including his will and other things I have clarifying why he's the right ancestor for my line as well as the others under him.

Let me know if you still are interested in helping me and if you wnat me to upload you documents as you mentioned....This avenue about John Sledge is the only way I know how to contact you. Thx

This is what I've added on Hezekiah Maddox b 1777's record:

Reference: FamilySearch Genealogy - SmartCopy: Aug 8 2019, 17:40:03 UTC
Married Rhoda Harris on Dec. 26, 1801 in Maysville, Grant County, Kentucky.

Reference: Find A Grave Memorial - SmartCopy: Dec 19 2021, 16:06:24 UTC
This man is in my direct line, studied him since before the turn of the century. This, and the link to Father Notley b 1731 on Geni.is the center of the misplacement Another in this tree is the introduction of a male named SLEDGE. Hez's line goes back with Maddox, and Maddocke to Cornelius, not Samuel. Youll find proven lineage on both family search and Ancestry. ByronBJ Maddox 2023 webmaster maddoxfamilywebsitekc@gmail|

Detail:

Hezekiah Maddox b 1777 is a son of Notley Maddox, b 25 June 1738, Charles Co Maryland, died 1801, Mason, Kentucky (according to his will) His FamSearch ID is LJKQ-TKQ.
His mother was Violetta Boswell, b 29 May 1737 St Marys Parish Charles Co Maryland, died 30 January 1832 Shelby Ky. Her FamilySearch Id is 9455-2TZ. They had 8 children, Sarah b 1761 27SX-9LZ, James b 1765 9455-2PG, Elizabeth b 1770 LVFG-895, Martha b 1771 L7GG-HBQ, Charles Maddux b 1773 LYTF-2BY, Townley B 1773 9455-255 (needs checking) Hezekiah b 1777 d 1847 L6XW-7HX and Mary b 1783.
(This author is a descendant of Hezekiah b 1777) This Hezekiah and father Notley b 1738 are descendants of Cornelius Maddox.

Prior links of this Hezekiah Maddox to a William Notley Maddox b 1731 of Maryland have been disproven by multiple sources. This Wm b 1731 has been linked to ancestor Samuel Maddox of St Marys who imigrated there in 1665. That Notley 1731 has been misidentified with another Notley maddox b 1738 and is listed also as died 1801 in Kentucky. The will links the 1738 Notley with multiple children, long assocated on both FamilySearch and Ancestry. That will also mentions his 'beloved wife Violetta"

The original error introducing "William" Notley Maddox occurred last centry by genealogist author Fredonia Maddox Webster in her book, "Maddox's of Southern Maryland" 1957, reproduced by Richard Stevens' book "Snow Hill Remembered: The history of the Harris family of Maryland...and Kentucky, 1990s, and then reproduced again by this author Byron Maddox webmaster of the well-read 1990s "Maddox Family Website." Byron corrected his error after it was discovered by Diana Bara of Colorado who is related to the Samuel line of Notleys but that error correction never made it to Geni. Other evidence is/will be uploaded in the records of Notley Maddox's 1731 and 1738 ( both the wrong one and the correct one.)

I hope this goes to the right place,, to your msg slot...is the @ Hezekiah I typed at the top the way to do this? This label to the rifght of this box confuses me:

Use the @ symbol and
start typing the name of a
profile on Geni to tag it in
your post. This discussion
thread will be added to
your discussions tab.

Dear Private User

Thank you for that. I love how passionate you are about your history! I did send an email to you but I guess it didn't go through. As I am only distantly related to the Maddoxes, info about them wouldn't mean much to me - but thanks anyway. :-) I just stumbled by.

My request to be made a manager of those two profiles was denied by Morgan Maddox. He was very grumpy with me for "interfering" and making the John Sledge name change (which wasn't me).

I have asked him to review the updates in this conversation so he understands that I am only trying to help you. I am unsure why you would be unable to directly send a message to Morgan Maddox. Have you tried going to his Geni profile Morgan Maddox and clicking the "Send Message" button?

I'm afraid I will have to withdraw from this situation because being the go-between between yourself and Morgan Maddox, who manages all these Maddox profiles will be very difficult. While technically I can upload your documentation and make changes, this would not be welcomed. I am really, really sorry.

Yours sincerely,
Christine

PS: Re. tagging, will only work to tag Geni users who are in the present conversation. Don't leave a space between the @ and starting to type their username. Their name will pop up in a little tab to click on.

When you wish to link to a profile, you'll need to go to it and copy/paste its URL containing the unique ID number. It will automatically become a link.

Guys like Morgan are why I'm bailing out of Geni and going back to FamilySearch....people of that sort are all over this site..creating red tape, He's the third or fourth one Good to know you had a run in with him, that clears up why I'm not getting any help frm him either. Geni caused this by giving profile creators 'manager' status and if they get something wrong, they get hard headed about it. I got one habitual user who runs the Lithuanian "Project" out but I had to go to Geni staff to get her off my records. Never had that problem on Ancestry or FamilySearch.

This is why I tell people to always back up their stuff on one of the other companies, and for their most important records, their direct line, back it up on an old private FamilyTree Maker thats not on the internet and no one can mess with it. Course this Morgan guy probably feels that way about me...but if he looked at his stuff in TREE display, Sledge kinda sticks out when its in the middle of a Maddox line! He wouldn't change a major mistake, told me to go somewhere besides Geni, so I left the documentation in there for the next descendant and left it.

Private User I really hate the mindset that just because a person uploads a profile they forever "own" it.
Did you realise that, if you upload your own tree to Geni in a GEDCOM file, and then complete all necessary merges with "Morgan's profiles", you will automatically be added as a manager? I can help you with this if you like. (It's likely you'd need to sign up to Geni as a PRO, but it's really not that expensive). Do you know how to download your tree as a GEDCOM?
Christine

Abt Geni and their squirrely management algorythms, no I didn't know that but people who don't need their multiple European language ability shouldn't be on Geni at all. I would NEVER upload a GEDCOM file to the Internet except I did just once in abt 1997 on my own website with a program that converted my data of 10,000 maddox's and related marriages to an early website. The freeware was called Ged2HTML.com it was very popular, of course becausse Ancestry hadn't yet started their subscription service. We were alll working with Family Tree Maker that they bought out and shut down and started their monthly subscription service to suck $20 a month out of each of us forever. I added the Samuel line, which turned out to be wrong, unfortunately and when a real genealogyst showed me the proof my KY line was not from Samuel, but from Cornelius, I let her help me get my lineage right, shut down my huge Maddox site after a couple years longer, and decided to let Ancestry and the Mormons do the matching; I'm just one guy, I couldnt write that much code for I already had a good programming job. Ancestry and FamilySearch (which is FREE, paid for by church members)...and I didn't do any more for 20 years. Then earlier this year, I decided to do my Luthanian half on my mother's side, and whlle I had it here in the US,only Geni can get my line back to Lithuania. But theyre' just horrible with accuracy on my English/Welsh lines...their 'management' system is way too much red tape to fix. You got a taste of it with Morgan last week. Another lady (named JC) wrote me to say she saw his research was sloppy, now SHE's trying it. I sent her my links on Family Search and said "if ya can make Geni comply with THIS, then You're a hero for a whole bunch of descendants of this long branch. No I dont' need help with Gedcom...thats for amateurs and Gedcoms don't export research well at all, compared to FS and ANcestry. And Geni doesn't keep changes well--its very old software and like their Message system, I guess they don't seem to want to spent $$$ for the programming costs of a total rewrite to match the Mormons who have been at this for a very long time. The navigation's so complex on Geni they must rely on volunteers to guide novice families. its much easier to do on the competitors...tho if someone hasn't already done the 1800s for their easier liness, they'll never get it since there were so many fires and the Civil War destroying courthouses and the records in them. Some will never know their lineage. I think only the DNA services will fix this but so many people are concerned about their privacy and i dont' blame them. I thought you wrote me to say you werne't a close enough connection with Hezekiah and the Ky lines and didnt' want to spend the time needed to document how the mistakes happened, but the proof aside from Notley d 1801 resides in Charles Co MD records and Diana bara did that for us 20 years ago. Bad data's liek a virus....it just can't be stamped out until you kill it ALL like we did with Smallpox and Polio.

Hi Private User
That must be SO frustrating for you!
I wish you all the best.
Christine

Do you know Gila Jones? She brags about managing 4,000 people and she didn't like it when I said publicly under one of her Geni commercials on a Lith uanian site that I don't like hobby genealogists who load up Geni by creating hhundreds even thousands of OTHER PEOPLE's ancestors, and win Geni's screwy Manager sttatus, and some of them are very territorial, make a lot of mistakes because ancestry is not for unrelated strangers but for people to enter t heir own families.

I'm sorry to say I totally don't approve of what you do... my dad's side was totally screwed up as you know, Cornelius is totally screwed up and some dumb ass woman who isn't a Maddox added a set of parents that aren't his. Geni has soo many mistakes and I think its because few people on here do real research and Geni doesn't have much ancestry anyway. I know this because there are so many people who need to be added, unlike Famsearch and Ancestry. Geni is horrible software, its old and they wont invest in a programming team to rewrite it. Both Ancestry and FamSearch have smoked Geni. And people who hang out here have been totally GENIfied! Have you noticed that FamSearch and Ancestry work together, but they don't work with Geni? There's a reason for that.

My advice to you if you don't already do it, is that you need to get very friendly on Famsearch, get a free account, and use it to truthcheck what you see on Geni. I think you'll be surprised that Geni is either incomplete in many cases or wrong compared to the Mormon's efforts.

you wnat to fix Cornelius Maddock and his father Dr Charles Maddock, youll find the documention on FamSearch.. Cornelius' parents are both wrong.entered a few years ago, maybe it was 2009. On there, they quoted my website in the Life Story tht I had up 20 some years ago on tfs.com/gbyron (Thats my old handle, gregByron.) I was going to Fix my line in Geni, but their software doesnt delete wrong people easily. If you wanna do it, fine...I've had it with Geni.