John Peter Lance (Lentz), I - Wives

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Hello

This is long so please bear with me. There is much to explain. I will capitalize the main focus of discusion.

This is a follow up email I sent the managers of the profiles I will mention.

This is in regard to finding a solution into the WIVES of John Lance. Nothing else.

I sent a joint email to the mangers of 2 of the 4 wives listed for John Lance.
I informed the managers he only had TWO WIVES. I added those two particular wives and sources for them as well as adding those same sources on the profile of John Lance.

In regards to finding a solution I requested anyone who could provide the sources of the 2 wives that are both unsourced. The main reason I started pursuing this being that some of his children were listed between all 3 Marys some having multiple mothers. The second reason to clear up the tree to eliminate any confusion and profiles being assigned incorrectly and prevent further confusion.

I also explained that based on the sources I provided Margaret Mary Avenshire was the mother of ALL of the children.

No discussion or new sources were added to the profiles of the unsourced wives.

What did happen was most of the children were added on to Mary Wilhelmina's profile and John Lance II, who had been on the profile of all 3 Marys previously, was now added to Mary Avenshire alone. With no explanation nor sources provided as to why.

What also happened was added onto the bio of the profile of John Lance. This was the image of a newspaper article. I had added the link to that very same newspaper article directly below that image previously. This newspaper article does not mention ANY of his WIVES only each child and the spouse.

All the vital info except the place of birth of 2 of the Mary profiles is identical. This being Mary Wilhelmina Murray and Margaret Mary Avenshire. They are identified in their profiles as being buried in the exact same Lance Cemetery. The only wife Find A Grave linked to the memorial of John Lance being to that of Mary Avenshire which is the only profile a Find A Grave source is attached to.

You will find Mary Avenshire as listed as the mother of all of his known children as well. Mary Avenshire was married previously to a Matthias Avenshire so Avenshire is not her surname. I believe Mary Wilhelmina Murray and Mary Avenshire may be the same Mary. I cannot find Mary Avenshire's surname mentioned only that of his first wife Catherine who was a Culp like his mother.

I discussed this with a curator and who couldn't find the answer. They suggested I put this up for discussion.

Could whoever divided the children between the 2 mothers after my initial email to all of the profiles please explain what drew them to this conclusion and provide sources? All Marys died on or near the very same year so all of these separate profiles cannot be correct as stands even if he had married them all.

If Mary Wilhelmina isn't Mary Avenshire then all of the children attached to Wilhelmina should be attached to Mary Avenshires profile.

If a solution can be found to all of this I suggest the profiles be locked and notes be added to prevent this from happening again.

Thanks to all who can help resolve this problem.

Robert

This is still an issue and the managers are not taking any action towards solving the problem.

This discussion is about the wives of John Lance. While I decided to take it upon myself
and move the children to the correct wife someone else was doing so at the same time.
I appreciate the help but you didnt add any sources that were already there. The issue at hand is
why are there 4 wives instead of 2.

John Lance still has 2 wives that are unsourced. One not seeming to belong.

We need clarification on the wives of John Lance

No one has edited John Peter Lance, I in over a year other than you and Erica.

I know John's profile wasn't edited. If I indicated as such I did I did so in error. The profiles for all of the Mary's were edited. Alex II was mothered to all 3 Marys. Someone placed him only with Avenshire which is correct. They placed all of the rest with Wilhelmina, whose profile is similar. Ive suspected Wilhelmina may be the same profile as Avenshire. Erica drew the same conclusion. Of course no one has given the information because they dont know. All they need to do is say, I dont know, and things can be eliminated.

I was waiting for someone managing one of the profiles to come forward with sources on those Marys and tell why they altered what they had. Of course they didnt because none of them knew in the first place.

I got fed up with waiting for what I knew would never come but hoped would. So I started separating them from Wilhelmina and placing them with Avenshire. I could tell at the same time as I was doing so someone else was, i believe I know who. Im not sure why they did since I already indicated I knew where the children's profiles did belong.

It should have been clear to them by now Im looking for information on the 2 unsourced wives.
I dont know how often I have to say its information needed on the wives for that to become the main focus.

Neither of the persons who worked on the Marys whether it be one or two persons has come forward with that information. They might say hey I did that. I was trying to help but didnt have sources or know anything. Any of those would be more helpful than nothing.

What did happen as far as manager communication is concerned is 2 of the managers dropped of off Wilhelmina's profile.

One of these people was a Lentz who I thought would surely know. When I went back to send another email I noticed ther name was gone and it was all a bust. Ive tried communicating with her about other Lentz profiles to know avail.The other manager who dropped from Wilhelmina profile is the manager of the Magdalena profile. Which means these 2 people read the email.

I did not put this up for discussion for several days after I wrote the manager email and until I consulted Erica.

Am I irritated, sure. I dont know how many of these Ive cleaned up and not a single manager decided to anything.

I realize managers not knowing can be irritating, but if we don’t know, we don’t. :). Personally I have no idea so …

Erica I agree.

I dont know why you'd think im complaining about you.

Saying I Dont Know would be FAR easier for everyone than saying NOTHING which is par the course. There are ancient messages all over this tree and if the stay broken it will just cause a growing paradox.

The lone manager of Magdelina had to read the email because he removed himself from the other profile. If no one knows anything they should all say I Dont Know.

I found were Magdalena belonged. With another Peter Lentz.

I want to merge Wilhelmina

Im just going to keep going rogue.

this line has messes all over it

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Take a look at this one.

Rosanna Lentz

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Alex Moes

again I take no offense

Erica Howton

Im going to go ahead and merge the 2 Marys. Except the name info they are identical.
Ill put Mary Wilhelmina Murray as an altenitave name.

That’s a fine solution.

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