R' Naphtali Herz Neumark - Help with Wachstein's rationale

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Wachstein debates the gravestone of Jaob David (his son), and does not see a big enough commemoration for a said Mr. Naftali to be a Rabbi?
Why is במהורר not enough here?

I am not expert in Hebrew regarding במהורר, but in Otser HaRabanim # 16228, Friedman describes him as: Rabbi Naphtali Hirsch Mirels, Rabbi in Fulda.

Private User That's why Wachstein says that this Naftali is not the Naftali Rabbi in Fulda, because of the gravestone of his son only depicted as מהורר נפתלי.
Since Wachstein is very reliable, I am trying to understand if anyone knows why.

Also note that Jacob David's date of death is 1657 and his father Naphtali is marked deceased, so the father cannot be the Rabbi Naphtali Hirsch Neumark who died 1659 in Fulda.

The connection to the Mahral also seems to be an invention and should probably be deleted.

I think the issue is that others assumed that the Fränkel Mirls surnames that R' Jacob David Fränkl Mirls Neumark, A.B.D. Vienna was known by came from his ancestors, rather than his wife's. Wachstein showed that they very likely came from the wife's family.

Randy Schoenberg I believe the date issue is far greater evidence than the missing Gaon title.
As much as it hurts me as an Eiger to say this, the Book of Eger is wrong here among other dating issues, and Wachstein should be the Posek. The link should be severed until further evidence is produced. That's my opinion.
We need to lay this myth to rest.

To preserve the identity of Naphtali Hersh if Fulda, who must be a real person if he has a grave, I have added: Naphtali Hersh Heller-Mirels, of Fulda

Thank you

When Randy says the connection to the Maharal should be deleted, is he referring to Naphtali's wife, Mirel, the daughter of Rachel, the daughter of the Maharal?

For that is still listed.

Thank you

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Avrohom Adler

In my branch it appears that the Kozker Rebbe was a descendant of the Maharal of Prague, in this way:

https://www.geni.com/path/MaHaRaL-of-Prague-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%A...

To the best of my knowledge, The Kozker Rebbe greatly admired the Maharal of Prague, but was not a descendant of him.

Avrohom Adler This is an area of the tree I have reconstructed from a compilation of sources.

I have posted a chart showing what I believe to be the surest way of making sense of the data:

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?photo_id=6000000211854581830

This chart doesn't differ much from what is on GENI as of this writing. The main difference is that I have completed the parental lines of Naphtali Hirsch Neumark including both the mother's and father's lines.

PS: The father who I have asserted for Naphtali Hirsch Neumark is Yakov Koppel Heller-Mirels son of Rabbi Aaron Heller of Wallerstein who I take to be the son-in-law of Rabbi Moshe HaLevi Heller, [of Wallerstein] rather than the son, as is shown on GENI at this moment. The above Yakov is not the same as Rabbi Jacob (the Elder) HaLevi Koppel Heller Wallerstein, A.B.D. Neustadt son of Rabbi Abraham I HaLevi Heller Wallerstein son of Moshe I ben Abraham I Halevi Heller-Wallerstein

One last comment: in Otser # 16228, the date of death for Naphtali Hirsch Neumark is 1648/6, which would mean he died prior to the death of his son Yakov Koppel Heller-Mirels (Otser # 10044) and thus there is no problem with regard to the son's headstone indicating that his father was already deceased.

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