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This seems to be a duplicate, has the same wife but other details don't match. I don't know if they're different men and one has the wrong wife is attached or if details from two men have become confused.

Robert Tate, Jr.

Any help sorting them would be appreciated since I'm not familiar with their connections. I came across them searching on Geni to see if I'm related since one of my DNA matches on Ancestry has Robert Hood Tate b. 1753 d. 1832 and married to Mary Margaret McClung connected in their tree as the son of my ancestors Henry Tate and his wife Sarah Netherland, which doesn't seem to be correct from what I'm seeing.

Thank you.

Other Ancestry trees show:

Family Info

Father
James Tate I (1718–1780)

Mother
Abigail Holden Tate (1723–1792)

Spouse
Rachel Owen Tate

Children
Samuel (1775–1842)
Rachel (1780–1858) - NOTE if he married Margaret McClung in 1775, she'd be the mother of this Rachel, I'd think. Wondering if his 1st wife Rachel Owen died in childbirth with child Samuel b. 1775 ?

Spouse
Margaret 'Peggy' McClung Tate (1755–1839)
Married 1775

Others show these as the children of Margaret McClung:

Child Samuel Bracken "Capt", Tate
Child Rachel Tate
Child Owen Dunn Tate
Child Elizabeth Tate

I don't know if the middle name 'Hood' is correct for the Robert Tate in my DNA match's tree. I don't see the husband of Margaret McClung and Rachel Owen listed as anything but Robert Tate other than that one tree.

They are not the same. Margaret ‘Peggy’ Tate married Robert Tate, of Middlebrook (son of John Tate & Mary Mitchell). It’s well documented, and I’ve added notes.

Mary Tate Has the wrong display name, she’s a Davidson. There’s likely a bad merge. Need to check the children also.

3. ROBERT (JR.)2 TATE (ROBERT (SR.)1) was born Abt. 1745 in Augusta, VA, and died July 24, 1806 in Moccasin Creek, Russell County, VA. He married MARY 1774 in Rockbridge County, VA. She was born Abt. 1758 in Augusta, VA, and died Unknown.

Notes for ROBERT (JR.) TATE:

Excerpts from Tate Families of the Southern States, Volume II, by Laura Mentzel and Ethel Updike, 1984

Robert, born, circa 1745 of Augusta County, VA, but later of Fincastle County, VA, son of Robert Tate. Robert Tate Jr. received a land grant of 174 acres in Fincastle, County, VA on December 13, 1774 on Big Moccasin Creek, North Fork of Holston River. On April 20, 1784 he received a land patent of 250 acres in Washington County, VA on both sides of Big Moccasin Creek on a spur of Clinch Mountain on the Holston River some three miles from Col. John Tate. In 1781 he and his brother, John swore allegiance to the United States in Washington County, VA. In 1781, Col. John Tate, Robert Tate, Wiliam Houston, and John Wood were appointed to appraise the estate of Francis Fugate, deceased, who was killed by a fall from his horse and who lived in the valley when the Tate families arrived.

He was an Ensign of the Militia in 1786, while his brother, John was a Lieutenant. He died testate, July 24, 1796. His will executed 29, Jul 1796 to wife, Mary. "The still, the land I now live on, except the land on the S. W. side of Mill to the line where it crosses Ovelton's road, then to be given to my sons Joseph, Tate, Alexander Tate, Aaron Tate and my daughter Polly. To my sons, John Tate, James Tate, land S. W. of Mill, only they to pay my son Robert Tate", wit. Robert Tate, Jr., Isaac Tate and John Tate.

At a court held in Russell County, VA, February 3, 1807 and proven by the Oath of John Tate and William Fugate, and on motion of Mary Tate, Richard Davis and Colbert Fugate, security for Mary Tate, she posted bond of ($2,500) administered with the will annexed granted her. The witnesses to this will were, no doubt, the son of John Tate, Robert, John Tate, William Tate and Colbert Fugate, his son-in-laws. The Robert Tate of this sketch is the man who was a contemporary with and associated in many court affairs with Col. John Tate. I am quite sure they were brothers, but no documentary proof exists. Robert Tate's will did not mention that most of his children were minors, but they were. On October 10, 1816, John Tate and wife Dicey, James Tate and wife Ruth, Robert Tate and wife Susannah, Alexander Tate and wife Delilah, Aaron Tate and wife Betsey and Marady Price and wife Polly, all of Warren County, TN, of the first part to Joseph Tate of Russell County, VA, the home place. The same land this Robert Tate acquired in 1774 and 1784, adjacent to Richard Davis and Hullams, witnessed by John Rodgers and Reuben Berryman. All of the males signed, and Mary (Polly) Tate signed her right of dower to her son Joseph Tate.

References: Fincastle County, VA, Deed Book, page 80, 81; Russell County, VA will Book 2, page 132; Deed Book 5, pages 537, 539; History of South West VA, by Lewis Summers, page 389, 843; David Faris; See Leland B. Tate letter; April 1783 to View Road; May 1786 Robert Appointed Ensign or 2nd Lieutenant of Militia; April 1787 Appointed Full Lieutenant.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYC6-M34 Mixes him up. Here’s the Will of Robert Tate of Russell County who married Mary (unknown) (not a known Davison - ignore it).

WILL OF ROBERT TATE
Russell County, Virginia
Will Book 2, Pages 122-123
Executed 03 Feb 1807

Be it remembered that I Robert Tate of the county of Russell in the state of Virginia being in a very weak and infirm state of body but of sound mind and desirous of settling my worldly affairs do make this my last will and testament giving and bequeathing as follows, viz:

Imprimis,
1st I do give to my wife Mary Tate one negro woman named Luce and one negro boy named Jim and also one negro boy named Sulas and also four cows and calves two two year old heifers one two year steer and also two bay horses and one gray horse, and also all my household furniture and also all my stock of hogs and also the land I now live on and also all working tools thereto belonging except that piece or parcel of land lying on the south west side of the mill dam Beginning at the big spring thence with the dam to the saw pit thence to the cave by the big sink hole thence to the line where it crosses Ovaltons road and also do give to my wife Mary Tate one still and the complements thereto belonging and also all my flock of sheep and also one yearling steer to hold during her natural life or widowhood then at her death or marriage to be divided between my son Joseph Tate and my son Alexander Tate and my son Aaron Tate and my daughter Polly Tate reserving to my wife Mary Tate her third part only in case she should marry.

Item, I give to my son John Tate and my son James Tate that piece or parcel of land above mentioned lying south-west of the mill dam and bounded as above directed, only that my son John Tate and my son James Tate do pay my son Robert Tate a ten pounds horse each at the time they receive the land.

Item, I give to my son Robert Tate one negro girl named Ryah and also one mans saddle.

Item, I do direct that the above mentioned part of my estate except the land be appraised but not sold and also do except the negro girl named Ryah which I gave to my son Robert Tate.

Item, I do direct that one mare and colt and one two year old mare, three steers, one two year old heifer and four of the ____ size of the big barrows to be sold to discharge my debts.

Confirmed and subscribed by me this twentieth day of July one thousand seven hundred and ninety _____.

Robert X Tate (Seal)

Test: Robert Tate junr.
Isaac Tate
John Tate

At a court held for Russell County the third day of February 1807.
This instrument of writing was exhibited in court as and for the last will and testament of Robert Tate dec'd and proven by the oath of John Tate one of the witnesses thereto and the hand writing of Robert Tate junr. another of the witnesses proven by the oath of the said John Tate and William Fugate and thereupon ordered to be recorded. And on motion of Mary Tate who made oath according to law and together with Richard Davis and Colebird Fugate her securities entered into and acknowledged their bond in the penalty of $2,500 conditioned as the law directs administration with the will annexed is granted her on the said decedents estate in due form.

Teste Henry Dickenson C.R.C.

Sources: Virginia Historical Magazine, Page 194 states that Robert Tate, (died on July 29, 1806) beneficiaries, wife, Mary; children, Joseph, Alexander, Aaron, Polly, John, James, Robert executors (none) (Mary Tate, administratrix); Testator signed by mark, witnessed, Robert Tate Junr., Isaac Tate, John Tate, Probated February 3, 1807, Page 132, Abstracts of Wills of Russell County, Virginia from 1803 to 1850 by Elihu Jasper Sutherland Will Book B1.5greatgreatuncle

This is the Robert Tate who married Rachel Tate

No relationship to either of the other Robert Tates that I can see.

Thanks so much for all that good info, Erica. So no Robert Tate was married to BOTH Rachel Owen and Margaret McClung. That error seems to be making the rounds and confusing the connections in many trees. I'll have to revisit the DNA match now that I have the correct info.

I've noticed that sometimes if I make a note in my cousin match on Ancestry that their tree and therefore ThruLines has an error but that I have it correct in my tree and set the right kinship to that person, the next time I happen upon that match, it will have been corrected and the ThruLines will be correct. So I hope that happens with this one so the error that the husband of Margaret McClung doesn't start showing up all over the place as the son of Henry Tate and his wife Sarah Netherland.

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