William de Grandison, Sieur de Grandison & de Ste. Croix - Perhaps parents should be Pierre de Grandson and Agnes de Neuchatel, and William's place of birth should be Switzerland.

Agree, he’s been conflated with another man.

For my ease, do you agree with https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Grandison-2 family?

Here’s Pierre I de Grandson, Seigneur de Grandison & Agnès de Neuchâtel curated by Angus Wood-Salomon

They show the current father Amadeus de Grandison as their son. So perhaps it’s just a matter of moving up a generation?

However, Wikitree is showing Agnès de Neuchâtel as died in England and 20 years earlier. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Neufchâtel-9. And has William born in England.

And geni has way too many children. https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197133&tree=LEO Cites Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), ~Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg. 11:153 which should be the standard for Swiss nobility.

I’ll look at Medlands but for a technical move & cut (extra children) of this size, I’d love it if Angus & his much better equipment can help.

dale scott - the move I is done. I’ve also added first wife, Jeannette de Gruyère, daughter of PIERRE [II] Comte de Gruyère & his wife Ambrosie ---.

I find the case made by Cawley at Medlands for the marriage compelling:

The possibility of this Grandson/Gruyère marriage seems good, especially as Jeannette’s older brother was already married to Guillaume’s sister.]

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3D-K.htm#Ka...

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: The First Marriage and Issue of William de Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison (d.1335)

https://fmg.ac/publications/journal/vol-10/591-fnd-10-08

It doesn't look like we have the right descendancy for William. Medlands has him as a son of Pierre, the sone of Ebles III, not IV. Ebles III was the son of Barthelemy II and Jordane. Of course, Wikipedia has it differently. Whom shall we trust?

Steven Mitchell Ferry - your feedback & action, perhaps with others chiming in / helping out on the Swiss pedigree, would be much appreciated. There are still issues on early England (son Otes had wandered off on another stream, for example) and Switzerland is outside my comfort zone, so I would be really, really slow there to understand enough to make sensible decisions.

Medlands, generally speaking, trumps any Wikipedia page, but it’s always about the references. Cawley seems to have a good handle on Grandson.

dale scott - thank you for pointing out “died in Gascony,”. Now we have to study it, just when I convinced myself that there were really 10 children and not 5.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Grandison-2

Death in 1335 seems firm. They gives birth date as 1255/1256, we’re showing 1262. (Note: The comment that “William must have been an old man at death”). That would make him age 80 and accommodates an earlier Swiss family better. So an earlier date is plausible, but he’d be way too old to die fighting in Gascony, and why else would he be there? And they show birth place as Oxfordshire which seems out of left field to me.

In terms of his career, apparently he rode the coat tails of his hero brother, and then proved himself on his own terms.

https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177588&tree=LEO

Shows birth as Abt 1255/1264 nr Lake Neufchâtel
Shows death as 27 Jun 1335 at Lombourn Eaton & Asperton, which was one of his manors.

Citing TCP. This seems the best so far.

https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00197132&tree=LEO

Shows Pierre as son of Ebles IV & Beatriz

Citing Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg. 11:153

This seems crazy dating for William.

In Otto de Grandson

From http://www.chateau-grandson.ch/en/othon1.html

Due to his father’s connections with King Henri III of England [see below] (reigned 1216-1272), Othon and his brother Guillaume arrived there around 1252 and found employ as pages at the court. A lasting friendship was formed with the young Prince Edward, who was to succeed to the throne as Edward I (reigned 1272-1307).

That would make William at age 84 at death which is doable. I hadn’t thought of him being a young page at age 7 or so but I’m pretty sure that makes sense, too. Also explains the “worked his way up from a lowly position” thing, because young pages in nobility service were by definition menial. (I don’t yet have a sense of the grandness - or not - of the Grandsons.)

Unless there an objection, I’m OK with it on Geni. I’ll caveat even more in the “about.”

How do you feel about the 1st wife scenario? I always find brothers marrying sisters appealing. Consolidates property.

I just googled Lombourn Eaton & Asperton to confirm it’s in Herefordshire, and found these fun details:

https://xpda.com/family/deGrandison-William-ind07844.htm

• He is designated "of Lombourn Eaton and Asperton," Herefordshire, England. These may be misspellings of Llanwarne, Eyton, and Ashperton in Herefordshire.
• On September 20, 1329, he had respite of homage until the following Easter, the King having learned that he was so infirm and aged he was unable to come.

Should also add his latinized? name of Willelmo de Grandisono as an AKA.

Luckily we have multiple languages and birth / death surnames, and display names (best known as). So since he was born as / known as Guillaume de Grandson in Switzerland and William de Grandison in England, I’ll set it up for French / English. His language was likely Norman French and whatever the Swiss dialects were.

Alternately, and additionally,

First name: Guillaume
Middle name: ‘William’
Birth surname: de Grandson
Surname: de Grandison
Display name: William de Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison

Junior high school Latin balked at ‘Willelmo de Grandisono’ as a Latin name, but Medieval Latin (the formal written language for his summons to Parliament) was not exactly the same animal as Tacitus. So I’ll probably set that up in the Latin module although I’d like to double check that it wasn’t weird Italian for an obscure reason.

Could use Baron in the Title field, but that’s not how The Complete Peerage (TCP) wrote it.