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Ebles / Ebal III I Seigneur de Grandson, Lord of Grandson - Is this an extra generation?

Started by dale scott on Sunday, August 20, 2023
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The GENI pedigree is
Pierre de Grandison 1190-1263
He was the son of
Ebles IV de Grandson 1154-1235 and Beatrix
He was the son of
**** Ebles/Ebal III 1133-1186 and Jordane NN *****
He was the son of
Barthelemy 1110-1158 and NN
The sources given are not that good.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvaud.htm#PierreGrandsondied1257A
Leaves out Ebles/Ebal III 1133-1186 and Jordane NN, stating it is an error, and has Jordane as wife of Barhelemy.

Medlands has
PIERRE de Grandson ([1186]-[29 Dec 1257/15 Jul 1259]).
He was the son of
EBLES [III] de Grandson ([1144 or after?]-[26 Jan] after 1235, bur [Joux]). and NN
He was the son of
BARTHELEMY [II] de Grandson and Jordane daughter of --- (-after [1158/60]).
He was the son of
EBLES [I] de Grandson & his wife Adelaide

Crawley states "Williams highlights that Gingins-La-Sarraz incorrectly transcribed the last part of this document as “apud Saratam et filius eius, Eubalus, laudavit; nec non et uxor eius Jordana”[1496]. The incorrect transcription presumably induced Charrière’s interpretation that that the second “eius” referred to “Eubalus” and that Jordane was his wife not Barthélemy’s[1497]. Williams argues convincingly that Jordane was Barthélemy’s wife. "

Using Google Translate on the Latin didn't make an obvious difference to me, but Crawley seems to feel the evidence is compelling that Jordane was Barthelemy's wife, and not the wife of Ebal III.

Should this generation be deleted, and Jordane changed to the wife of Barthelemy?

dale scott That's the way I have it in my own chart. Conan; Ebles I (wife Adelaide); Barthelemy (wife Jordane); Ebles III; Pierre.

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