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The ancestry of Archibald Stark (1693-1758) has not been satisfactorily identified. According to Wikipedia, he was born in Glasgow, Scotland, to parents who were from Wiltshire in England. It would appear that nothing more is known about his ancestry.

Wikipedia: John Stark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stark#cite_note-3

According to the late Howard Parker Moore: "It seems that the parents of Archibald may remain conjectural. The New Hampshire Starks transmit no information. Not even traditions speak of John Stark's grandfather and grandmother."

A Life of General John Stark: 20
https://archive.org/details/lifeofgeneraljoh00moor/page/20/mode/1up

The absence of accurate information about Archibald Stark's ancestry is reflected in James R. Clark's discussion paper which was reproduced by the Stark Family Y-DNA Project

Stark Family Y-DNA Project
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~clovis/genealogy/y-dnag2willofdullu...

In view of the absence of reliable information for the ancestry of Archibald Stark I believe that he should be disconnected from the family tree of John Stark and Susannah Archibald. Contrary opinions supported by evidence would be welcomed.

Do we keep siblings together?

From https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~clovis/genealogy/Y-DNA%20Home.htm

However, descendants of Archibald, James and Richard are related to each other; although the identity of their common ancestor is not known. [See Killermont Stark Families Genetic Genealogy Report]

This is an example of the benefits of combining genealogical research with Y-DNA testing. Even if a person doesn’t know their ancestry, a Y-DNA test may reveal their relatedness to one or more of the participants in this project.

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~clovis/genealogy/y-dnag2toc.htm

About 75 to 100 years after the arrival of Aaron Stark [1608-1685] in Connecticut, three men with the surnames Stark and Starke arrived in New Hampshire and Virginia. Their names were Dr. Richard Starke of York Co., Virginia, James Stark of Stafford Co., Virginia, and Archibald Stark of New Hampshire (father of General John Stark of Revolutionary War fame). Earlier genealogical research has not been able to determine if these three men were related. However, independent research of each of these men has suggested the ancestral home of each could have been in or near Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. Many of the early Stark family researchers had claimed the Aaron Stark family and these three men were somehow related. Y-DNA comparisons of the Modal Haplotype of Group 1a & 1b Members — descendants of Aaron Stark — to the Modal Haplotype of Group 2a, 2b, & 2c Members; reveal they have a genetic distance of 17 over their respective Modal H37 Haplotypes. The odds greatly favor Members of Group 1 and members of Group 2 could not have shared a common male ancestor within thousands of years, thereby eliminating the possibility Aaron Stark was a near relative of these three later arrivals to America within Genealogical time.

Here’s a little more information.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/stark/about/background

For many years this project was lead by Clovis LaFleur who helped many members with their genealogical research. He chose to retire from this role in the summer of 2018. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman helped start this project, but choose to retire as co-administrator in the summer of 2020.

Gwen Boyer Bjorkman is a published genealogist of very good reputation.

Sheila (nee Stark) Schmutz maintains a website "Stark Lines of Descent in North America" with charts showing the lineages of participants from their shared Stark ancestors. Enter in your browser or click on

https://www.sheilaschmutz.net/Stark/StarkLines.html

Updated at https://www.sheilaschmutz.net/Stark/StarkLines.html Last updated on June 23, 2023 by Sheila (nee Stark) Schmutz

So this is the most current info. Quite interesting.


last updated June 2023

This "family" consists of a few very well known ancestors in the United States. The most famous one is General John Stark (1728-1822) who fought in the Revolutionary War. He did not leave many male descendants (see above). His father, Archibald Stark came to America from Scotland.

Dr. Richard Starke (1668-1704) was probably a cousin of Archibald Stark and came to Virginia from Scotland even earlier.

Three men who are shown on this chart, are not shown with a connection. Who their common ancestor is to Archibald, Richard, or even James (see chart below) is not known. Mr. 872459 is particularly interesting because his ancestors remained in Scotland much longer than the others which helps verify that all these men had Scottish ancestors.


How James is related to either Archibald Stark or Dr. Richard Starke is not known but the DNA of their descendants suggests they have a common ancestor. The Y DNA results of these men are also shown as part of Group 2.


This page gives some descendant info for Archibald:

http://www.nh.searchroots.com/HillsboroughCo/Manchester/stark.html

The “From Wiltshire” doesn’t make sense if genetically they show as part of the John Muirhead group, and I didn’t see that in the Biography either.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Stark/default.aspx?section=yco...

Group 2: Des John Muirhead (Alias John Stark) of Scotland

Archibald Stark is presently identified on the Geni World Tree as the son of John Stark and his wife Susannah Archibald. It would appear that the ancestry assigned to him may be founded upon a pedigree published by FamilySearch, which identifies Archibald as the son of John Stark III and Susanna Archibald Scott, a couple who are said to have married in 1714, at Londonderry in Ireland.

Archibald Stark (1693–1758) • FamilySearch

This pedigree seems to have become confused along the way, or misunderstood, perhaps, because another pedigree publish by FamilySearch identifies Archibald Stark as the son of General John Stark III and his wife Elizabeth Susannah Archibald Scott.

General John Stark III (1665–1754) • FamilySearch

The Stark Family Y-DNA Project (Report 3) considers a number of alternatives: (1) that Archibald Stark was the son of John Stark of Killermont and his wife Isobell Weir; (2) that Archibald Stark was the son of John Stark and his wife Jean McCutcheon.

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~clovis/genealogy/y-dnag2willofdullu...

According to Howard Parker Moore, writing in his Life of General John Stark of New Hampshire: “The Year Book for 1921, a vehicle of the descendants of the Aaron Stark line, one appearing in America 75 years before the New Hampshire, and of which Admiral Harold R. Stark is a descendant, printed a list, without any indication of its origin or proof of its authenticity. Were these births or baptisms? Why exactly two years apart? Why no exact dates?”

The before mentioned list follows: “Children of John Stark (given name not determined) of Dumbarton and Glasgow, Scotland, and later of Londonderry, Ireland; 1. Archibald b 1693; 2. James b. 1695; 3. John b. 1697; 4. Richard b. 1695; 5. Louise b. 1701; 6. Daniel b 1703; 7. Samuel b 1705; 8. Susannah b. 1707; 9. Silas b. 1709.”

https://archive.org/details/lifeofgeneraljoh00moor/page/20/mode/1up

All of the foregoing tends to reinforce the point that I have already made, that the ancestry of Archibald Stark, the father of General John Stark of New Hampshire, has not been satisfactorily identified.

Agreed.

Evidence needed to support Archibald Stark as son of John Stark & unknown Stark

They’ve been detached.

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