I'm trying to pin down Adela de Louvain. She is often mentioned, but seldom sourced. What is sourced, I'm often unable to translate.
I've found her father is given as 1. Unknown 2. Lambert Count of Louvain, 3. Lambert count of Toxandrie 4. Hugo count of Nordgau
#1 . HER PARENTS ARE UNKNOWN
Adela of Nordgau
CITES -http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ReginarIIIdied973
http://www.rumblefische.com/ancestors/chap0035.html#I3178:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-520453#_note-2 states her father is unknown
CITES ↑ http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ReginarIIIdied973
↑ https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_30_1/index.htm#page/183
↑ http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ReginarIIIdied973
↑ https://books.google.be/books?id=0QJYAAAAcAAJ&pg=PT18
http://archiv.ub.uni-marburg.de/eb/2015/0060/view.html
https://www.persee.fr/doc/bcrh_0770-6707_1857_num_25_9_2939
http://www.montyhistnotes.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I440...
CITES [1] [S394] Reginar III of Hainaut, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginar_III,_Count_of_Hainaut.
[2] [S419] Lambert I of Lovain, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_I_of_Leuven.
[3] [S323] thePeerage.com, Brabant Lambert #003906 http://thepeerage.com/p391.htm#i3906.
https://espl-genealogy.org/getperson.php?personID=I90257&tree=1 ALSO CALLED MILES FILES
CITES J. Orton Buck and Timothy Field Beard, Buck & Beard, Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol 3, (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1996), p. 151, 555.
https://books-google-com.translate.goog/books?id=z2uJZXDotrcC&p...
Genealogical history of the royal house of Savoy, justified by titles, foundations of monasteries... and other authentic evidence, by Samuel Guichenon... New edition, with supplements up to the present day, followed by a dissertation containing remarks and Additions...to This History , Volume 3
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Life_of_Blessed_Charlemange/co...?
https://books.google.com/books?id=nCZGAAAAMAAJ&q=adele+of+dagsb...
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Royals_and_Nobles/SpArVIuRZNEC...
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FIENNES.htm#Regnier%20III%20(Comte%20D...
https://www.armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_123_main.html#N8
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#2 AND #3 HER FATHER WAS LAMBERT
I believe Lambert Count of Louvain and Lambert Count of Toxandrie are considered the same person, and will treat them as such.
That her father was Lambert seems to be based on Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (which NOW states her parentage is in question) and Burke's which states Adele ( d . 961 ) [was the] daù . of Lambert , Count of Toxandrie. There are many sources in French and German that I can not translate.
LAMBERT WAS HER FATHER
http://www.rumblefische.com/ancestors/chap0035.html#I3178:
CITES Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999 Page: 155-19 Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 Page: 19 Text: Adele (no last name or ancestry)
https://books.google.com/books?id=e6YKFYFp2AQC&q=adele+of+toxan...
Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage, and Knightage, Privy Council, and Order of Preference
https://thepeerage.com/p53223.htm#i532224
CITES Burke's
https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p241.htm#...
CITES 1 [S2] Detlev Schwennicke, Europaische Stammtafeln, New Series, Vol. I/2, Tafel 236.
2 [S1886] Wallop Family, p. 396.
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020426&tre...
CITES ~Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fürstliche Häuser 1961
https://books.google.com/books?id=rSo3AAAAMAAJ&q=adele+of+toxan...
Three Centuries of Bourbeaus in North America
https://www-krommetje-nl.translate.goog/humo-gen/family/1/F12424?ma... (conflates daughter)
https://homepages.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy2/wc04/wc04_165.htm
https://www.kent-opc.org/opcfamilydata/getperson.php?personID=I1791...
https://fabpedigree.com/s097/f017512.htm States father is EITHER Lambert OR Hugo
Adela of Nordgau
COMMENT
Carl Gustav Verbraeken GENI CURATOR
9/20/2022 at 1:37 PM
On the profile is mentioned:
"Weis and van de Pas list her as Adele/Adela (d 961), the daughter of Lambet, Count of Louvain."Now this is clearly false, she was the mother of Lambert, the first count of Leuven, not the daughter.
We have no sources that deny that the mother of count Lambert I was a von Dagsburg, but that is all there is.
I think Mr. Verbraeken makes a good point. If the son of Adela was the first Count of Louvain, her father was called something else.
HER FATHER WAS LAMBERT, BUT HE WAS NOT COUNT OF LEUVEN
https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I14475&tree=1
https://www-graafschap--middeleeuwen-nl.translate.goog/genealogie/g...
CITES 1 [ S22 ] RG Jahn, JAHN_1992, (Heimatkalender, 1992).
2 [ S4 ] KH Schreiber, MITT-GEN_WEB, (http://www.manfred-hiebl.de/genealogie-mittelalter/).
3 [ S133] JM van Winter, WINTER_1981b, (In: Onomastics, Vol. 13, 1981), 60.
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#4 HER FATHER WAS HUGO
English speaking sites that feel her father was Hugo seems to be based on Medlands
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#AdelaDachsburg MedLands refers to unnamed secondary sources,
Oldest English language source I've found
https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Genealogical_History_of_the_...
A Genealogical History of the House of Yvery
In Its Different Branches of Yvery, Luvel, Perceval, and Gournay
By James Anderson, William Whiston · 1742
https://books.google.com/books?id=GRuNDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA339&dq=...
Ancestors of Cynthia Williams
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugues_Ier_de_Nordgau
CITES GRAFEN im NORDGAU, Hugues, fils d'Eberhard III sur site FMG [archive].
Hugues Ier de Nordgau, Histoire généalogique des maisons souveraines d'Europe [archive].
d'après Histoire généalogique des maisons souveraines d'Europe, t. I, p. 93 : « Comtes d'Habsbourg de la maison d'Alsace, Gontram Ier, dit le Riche, fils de Hugues Ier de Nordgau… » non confirmé par Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [archive].
« http://www.ottmarsheim.com/client/index.php?idsite=1&action=aff... »(Archive.org • Wikiwix • Archive.is • Google • Que faire ?), sur Ottmarsheim : « Le bâtisseur de l'Abbatiale d'Ottmarsheim, au début du XIe siècle, en 1030, se nomme Rodolphe d'Altenbourg, qui ne porte pas encore le nom de Habsbourg, etc. »
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Adele_de_Dagsbourg_%281%29
CITES Fr. Wikipedia, which was citing Medlands
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_Nordgau
CITES Adela comitissa Montensis…uxor Ragineri comitis", Medieval Genealogy, Hugo V [7] [ archive ]
http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Brabant.pdf?_x_tr_sch=http&a...
http://mauriceboddy.org.uk/Nordgau.htm
Is there anyone who reads French or German willing to look at some of the citations? I'm leaning towards Hugo as her father, but don't want to commit without knowing the French and German beliefs.
