Elizabeth Stanley (Harrington) - Elizabeth-Stanley/6000000011624123446

Jefffey Gorton

9/13/2023 at 11:07 AM

The overview on her profile states their are three sets of parents identified in her sources, and questions which is correct.

There is no answer provided - so who are her correct parrents? - Nickolas Harrington and Isbell English (as stated on Family Search and WikiTree), Robert Harrington and Isabel Loring (as stated on her Geni Profile) or someone else?

Susanne Floyd PRO

9/13/2023 at 9:12 PM

From https://www.thepeerage.com/p43185.htm

Robert de Haverington, 3rd Lord Harington1
M, #431841, b. 28 March 1356, d. 21 May 1406

Robert de Haverington, 3rd Lord Harington was baptised on 28 March 1356.1 He was the son of John de Harington, 2nd Lord Harington and Joan de Bermingham.2 He married, firstly, Alice de Greystoke, daughter of William de Greystoke, 2nd Lord Greystoke and Jane FitzHugh, circa 1376.1 He married, secondly, Isabel Loring, daughter of Sir Nele Loring, circa 1383.1 He died on 21 May 1406 at age 50.1
He succeeded as the 3rd Lord Harington [E., 1326] on 28 May 1363.1 He was appointed Knight in 1377.1

Children of Robert de Haverington, 3rd Lord Harington and Isabel Loring
John de Harington, 4th Lord Harington2 d. 11 Feb 1417/18
William Harington, 5th Lord Harington+2 b. c 1390, d. fr 3 Mar 1457/58 - 10 Mar 1457/58

Citations
[S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 1789. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
[S37] BP2003. [S37]

Jefffey Gorton

9/14/2023 at 9:01 AM

From Suzanne's reply - the geni profile listing Eliz parents as Robert and Isabel Loring is incorrect as no child named Elizabeth is listed in her citation.

Is there similar scholarship supporting her parents as Nicholas and Isabel English?

Susanne Floyd PRO

9/14/2023 at 7:03 PM

Jefffey Gorton, it is a confusing mess, isn't it? The Wikipedia entry for Sir John II Stanley, titular King of Mann states that Elizabeth is a daughter of Nicholas Harrington.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_John_Stanley_(died_1437)

Marvin Loyd Welborn PRO

9/14/2023 at 8:16 PM

This Peerage (http://www.thepeerage.com/p24759.htm#i247584) shows

Sir John Harington1
M, #247584

Last Edited=9 Apr 2008
Sir John Harington lived at Hornby Castle, Lancashire, EnglandG.1
Child of Sir John Harington
1 Isabel Harington+1
Citations
1 [S37] BP2003 volume 1, page 1101. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]

John Harington NOT Robert Harington, 3rd Baron as the father

Erica Howton C

9/14/2023 at 8:36 PM

I think there’s always been controversy on the identifications in this area. Can we try going deeper than Burke’s into Medlands and the Google group, soc.Gen.medieval?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harrington-267

Other sources have named other parents for the wife of Sir John Stanley. See the Research Note pertaining to his Wife in the profile of Sir John.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stanley-496

Research Notes

Wife: Richardson[17] concludes that Sir Nicholas was the father of Elizabeth, John's wife, not Sir Robert, 3rd Baron Harrington or John de Haryngton of Hornby Castle,[18] as have been cited elsewhere. His basis is that Elizabeth's granddaughter, Margaret, is listed as the great granddaughter of Sir Nicholas in her papal indult to marry her second cousin, John Boteler, who also was a great grandchild of Sir Nicholas.[19]

1. Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Volume V, pages 25-27, STANLEY #12. Isabel Lathom, #13. John Stanley, Knt., #14. Thomas Stanley, K.G. (full citation below)

Comments

MedLands extract starts here and first John named is Stanley-1780.

Cawley says this profile's wife Elizabeth Harrington-1287 is the daughter of John (so presumably sister not daughter of Nicholas). But no source cited and the dates don't seem to work. Also it doesn't agree with the relationship in the dispensation mentioned in this footnote. https://books.google.com/books?id=kjme027UeagC&pg=RA2-PA265

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#...

Private User any thoughts? For England I sometimes find Richardson presents a better case than Cawley.

Erica Howton C

9/14/2023 at 9:16 PM

Here’s the profiles for Sir Nicholas Harrington, of Hornby & Isabella Harrington

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harrington-91

m.1 (ante Sep 1369) Isabel English (Sir William English of Appleby, Little Strickland, and Hasket, Westmorland, Knight of the Shire for Westmoreland and Margaret le Brun, b. abt.1345)[2] Issue: 3 sons; 5 dau.[10]

Sir William
Sir James
Nicholas
Isabel I
Margaret m. Sir Richard Huddleston
Agnes m. Richard Sherburne
Mary m. John Redman
Isabel II[3]

m.2 (ante Aug 1397)[4] Joan (Jennet) Venables (father: Hugh Venables, of Kinderton, Cheshire).[5] No issue.

https://soc.history.medieval.narkive.com/b7C8M9AB/sir-nicholas-harr... (does not mention who daughter Elizabeth married)

Erica Howton C

9/14/2023 at 10:06 PM

This is available to borrow with a free internet archive account.

Richardson, Douglas (2005). Magna Carta ancestry : a study in colonial and medieval families. Page 770-771. 9. John Stanley

https://archive.org/details/magnacartaancest0000rich/page/770/mode/2up

www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000198222778857&size=large

Do we agree?

Jefffey Gorton

9/15/2023 at 10:19 AM

I'm convinced Elizabeth's parents were Richard Harrington and Isabel English. Thanks for you expertise and efforts.

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