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Fiachu Dubtuinne mac Demain, King of Ulidia - Trying to add some sources to this profile

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Found Wikipedia source, but might find a better one. If I am reading it correctly, I think that one of the sons of Fiachu Dubtuinne mac Demain, King of Ulidia is attached to the wrong mother. Only one mother noted. Since it is a bit far back for my normal work, need a curator or someone who has the knowledge.

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Fiachnae mac Demmáin (died 627) was King of Ulaid from 626 to 627. He sometimes was called Fiachnae Dubtuinne. He was a member of the Dal Fiatach and nephew of Baetan mac Cairill (died 581) of Ulaid. He was the son of Demmán mac Cairell (died 572).[1] He succeeded his uncle as king of the Dal Fiatach in 581.

His first mention in the Irish annals is the battle of Cúl Caíl (possibly Kilkeel, modern County Down) in 601 where he was defeated by Fiachnae mac Baetain of the Dal nAraide.[2] The annals mention Fiachnae mac Baetan went against him so was probably the aggressor. This was part of the struggle of these two rival clans for the overlordship of Ulaid. In 626 was fought the Battle of Leithit Midind at Drung (Knocklayd, modern County Antrim) between these two rivals at which Fiachnae mac Demmáin was the victor and Fiachnae mac Baetan was slain.[3] The annals say the battle was fought by him which implies he was the aggressor.

He now becomes King of Ulaid but was himself defeated and slain by the King of Dalriada, Connad Cerr at the Battle of Ard Corainn in 627.[4] The Annals of Clonmacnoise claim that this was in revenge for the slaying of Fiachnae mac Baetan.

His wives were:[5]

Cumne Dub, daughter of Furudrán mac Béicce of the Uí Tuirtri.She was the mother of Dúnchad mac Fiachnai (died circa 644),a king of Ulaid and of a daughter Dub Lacha who married Mongán mac Fiachnai (died 625), the son of his rival Fiachnae mac Baetan.

Cumne(Cummíne) Find, daughter of Báetán Cáech of DalnAraide and sister of Fiachnae mac Baetan. She was the mother of Máel Cobo mac Fiachnae (died 647), a king of Ulaid and a son named Suibne.

He was ancestor of all later Dal Fiatach kings.

Notes
Byrne, Table 6; Charles-Edwards, appendix XXI; Mac Niocaill, p. 155
Annals of Ulster AU 601.3, 602.3; Annals of Tigernach AT 600.3; Mac Niocaill, pg.88
Annals of Ulster AU 626.1; Annals of Tigernach AT 627.1; Mac Niocaill, pg.88; Byrne,pg.111; Ó Cróinín pg.218
Annals of Ulster AU 627.1; Annals of Tigernach AT 628.1; Mac Niocaill, pg.88; Byrne, pg.111; Ó Cróinín, pg.218
Mac Niocaill, pg.88-89

See also
Kings of Ulster

References
Annals of Ulster at [1] at University College Cork
Annals of Tigernach at [2] at University College Cork
Byrne, Francis John (2001), Irish Kings and High-Kings, Dublin: Four Courts Press, ISBN 978-1-85182-196-9
Charles-Edwards, T. M. (2000), Early Christian Ireland, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0-521-36395-0
Gearoid Mac Niocaill (1972), Ireland before the Vikings, Dublin: Gill and Macmillan
Dáibhí Ó Cróinín (2005), A New History of Ireland, Volume One, Oxford: Oxford University Press

External links
CELT: Corpus of Electronic Texts at University College Cork.

Can't find anything in Medlands. Too early, I guess.

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If the above is correct, Fiachu Dubtuinne mac Demain needs another wife added and I think that she is the correct mother for Dúnchad mac Fiachnai. Maybe. Anybody got anything else? The profile "about" was blank when I started.

The Wikipedia note for the wives is from Gearoid Mac Niocaill (1972), Ireland before the Vikings -- a work by a pre-eminent Irish scholar, so I would say, yes, let's add the second wife and move her child over.

Private User, I have been working on the Uliad kings a bit - a lot today. Found some interesting things on wikipedia with similar sources, but if you get time, would you look at this not on Cumne Dub from the entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BAnchad_mac_Fiachnai

Dúnchad mac Fiachnai (died c. 644)[1] was King of Ulaid from the Dal Fiatach dynasty. He was the son of Fiachnae mac Demmáin (died 627), a previous king.[2] He ruled from 637 – c.644.

The Dal Fiatach recovered the kingship of Ulaid after the Battle of Mag Roth in 637 and were to retain it until 674. Family strife was a common theme among the dynasty at this time. Dúnchad's mother was Cumne Dub ingen Furudráin of the Uí Tuirtri (a tribe of the Airgialla west of Lough Neagh in modern County Tyrone). She had previously been married to Dúnchad's great uncle Baetan mac Cairill (died 581) by whom she had children. These children were eliminated by Dúnchad's full brother Máel Dúin mac Fiachnai in 605.[3] However, the ambitions of Máel Dúin were not to be fulfilled as he was murdered by Dúnchad at Óenach Deiscirt Maige, probably in southern Muirthemne in modern County Louth.[4]

His son Congal Cennfota mac Dúnchada (died 674) was also a King of Ulaid.

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I think there must be another son of Fiachu Dubtuinne mac Demain, King of Ulidia - Máel Dúin mac Fiachnai that we didn't have documented.

Also, If you want some interesting literary notes, check out what I added about Mongan and Dub Lacha. I put the cool part here Dub Lacha

If the following have enough on them, and look correct, could we get them MPd? I will add the additional son of Fiachu mac Demain if you approve. I am not sure if there are projects for them or maybe we need to make one for Ulster Rulers. There are more that need sourcing further back. I will work on them next week. Back to work for today.

Fiachu Dubtuinne mac Demain, King of Ulidia

Cumne (Cummine) Dub

Cumne Find

Máel-Coba, King of Ulidia

Blathmac mac Maílcoba, King of Ulidia

Óengus mac Maílcoba Dál Fiatach

Dub Lacha

Mongán mac Fiachnai

Dúnchad mac Fiachach Dubtiunne Dál Fiatach

Thanks for the review of these. They are extremely interesting.

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