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William Park Bryan - Parents

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Wednesday, October 4, 2023
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According to his bio on Ancestry, Williarm Park Bryan is connected to the wrong parents here on Geni:

BRYAN FAMILY HISTORY

by Robert and Harold Casey

WILLIAM PARK BRYAN (2.1) is the son of Samuel Bryan and Margaret (Morrow) Bryan. William was born between 1790 and 1794 in North Carolina. In 1812, Samuel Bryan, William Bryan and Henry Bryan were listed under Captain Henry’s Company in the Davidson County, Tennessee Tax List. It is certain that this is Samuel Bryan (2) as Newton Edney, Thomas Allen and Zachariah Allen were shown owning land next to the parcel that Samuel Bryan (2) purchased in 1808. Assuming that William would have to be eighteen to be listed in this tax list, William Bryan was born prior to 1794. The 1820 census indicates that William was born between 1775 and and 1804. The 1840 census indicates that William Bryan was born between 1800 and 1810 (which is probably in error and should indicate between 1790 and 1800 instead). From these three sources, it is estimated that William was born between 1790 and 1794. On October 8, 1818, William Bryan married Olivia Eliose Bateman in Williamson County, Tennessee. Olivia was born around 1800 in Williamson County, Tennessee and is the daughter of William Bateman and Elizabeth (Smith) Bateman. In 1820, William and Olivia Bryan were living in Williamson County, Tennessee. William and Olivia Bryan were the parents of five children:

Julia Ann Bryan (2.1.1), b. September 26, 1819, Williamson County, Tennessee
William Shelby Bryan (2.1.2), b. October 20, 1821, Williamson County, Tenn.
Washington Carroll Bryan (2.1.3), b. January 15, 1824, Williamson Co., Tenn.
America Nancy Bryan (2.1.4), b. April 30, 1827, Williamson County, Tennessee
Olivia Lois Elizabeth Bryan (2.1.5), b. July 16, 1829, Williamson Co., Tennessee

Olivia (Bateman) Bryan died on July 17, 1829 in Williamson County, Tennessee. On January 4, 1830, William Bryan married a second time to Elizabeth Ann Oliver in Williamson County, Tennessee. William and Elizabeth Bryan were the parents of six children:

Harbert Alexander Bryan (2.1.6), b. March 31, 1833, Tennessee
Finas Ewing Bryan, b. May 4, 1834, Tennessee
Margaret Jane Bryan, b. November 12, 1835, Tennessee
Martha Frances Bryan, b. April 2, 1837, Tennessee
Mary Jane Bryan (2.1.10), b. April 24, 1839, Tennessee
Robert Clay Bryan, b. August 20, 1842

References (major references only): 1) 1772 Tax List, Rowan County, North Carolina; 2) Marriage Bond, Samuel Bryan to Margaret Steel, Orange County, North Carolina, August 11, 1784; 3) Deed, Book 11, Pages 616 and 617, John Adams to Samuel Bryan, Rowan County, North Carolina, January 11, 1787; 4) Deed, Book 14, Pages 637 and 638, Samuel Bryan to Jacob Trout, Rowan County, North Carolina, October 1, 1796; 5) Deed, Book 18, Pages 185 and 186, Samuel Bryan to John Little, Rowan County, North Carolina, 1801; 6) Deed, Page 497, John Burnham to Samuel Bryan, Davidson County, Tennessee; 7) 1830 Census, Davidson County, Tennessee; 8) Will Book, Will of Samuel Bryan, Davidson County, Tennessee, 1832; 9) Will Book, Inventory, Samuel Bryan, Davidson County, Tennessee, 1832; 10) Will Book, Davidson County, Tennessee, Inventory of Margaret Bryan, Book 12, Page 222, 1841; 11) Chancery Court Record, Davidson County, Tennessee, Estate Records of Henry M. Bryan, ca. 1851 (sent by John Dorroh); 12) McCubbins Collection, microfilm reel #11; 13) Letter by W. C. Bryan, ca. 1909 (sent by John Dorroh); 14) Pinkerton Family Cemetery (surveyed by Robert Casey and John Dorroh, May, 1996), Pasquo, Tennessee

These would be his correct parents:

Margaret Bryan

Samuel Bryan

And some of the children connected have to be incorrect because there are three different Y-DNA haplogroups from descendant males, and that can't be correct.

Moved to cited parents.

The different haplogroups May be different test refinement nomenclature so dont assume a conflict. Geni does not show a conflict for example. You can view detail (dna tab) to be more certain.

https://www.geni.com/list/dna_to?focus_id=6000000157569562874&dna_test_type=y

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bryan/default.aspx?section=yre...

On the chart, looks like red Group

R - Group D3_2_2A1A2A - BY75803

Which shows :

R-BY62640
R-BY75803
R-M269

I"ve said it many times, the Y-DNA project info is only as correct as what people submit. If someone takes a test and is R-M269, for example, and they list who they believe to be their earliest ancestor but they actually have the ancestor wrong, the site doesn't identify that kind of error or correc it. That's usually what causes the conflicting Y-DNA haplogroups on lines. Geni can't tell if theyre correc tor not.sourced. I was told that a few years ago when conflicting Y-DNA populated on my son's paternal Ingram line. The conflicting Ingram guy doesn't match any of the tested males in my son's family. So when I see conflicting Y-DNA haplogroups, I figure it's the same kind of scenario. More often than a mutation, it's because someone has a tree erorr.

Y-Haplogroups are a lot more complex than mtDNA haplogroups, in my opinion, but I now a little about the R-M269 since it's my dad's. Neither R-BY62640 nor R-BY75803 are listed as part of the branches of that haplogroup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R-M269

So I don't know enough about the R-BY groups to even talk about them. I Googled, wanting to see if they are, in fact, the same as R-M269 and all I could find was this:

https://isogg.org/wiki/BY_SNPs_60K

which only lists groups beginning with BY and I know nothing about. It's all way over my head.

It's just unusual to see so many haplogroups on one family branch is all I'm saying, even if they are mutations or subclades of a common group. My experience with my son's Y-DNA and his males cousins and male cousins on my dad's lines is they all used to match exactly but in the past year they got a single 'update' on each of those and now they all say that, if you see what I mean. It wasn't like some mutated to one thing and others something else. Again, over my head.

Geni shows conflicts if they’re not the same (and sometimes when they are). So I wouldn’t worry over much in this case.

Wasn't worried over it, just pointed out that William Park Bryan was connected to the wrong parents and stated that 'may' have something to do with the multiple haplogroups showing, with the thought that fixing the connections might help sort that out. Just a passing thought.

Thanks for correcting his parents.

R-BY62640
R-BY75803
R-M269
YDNA are related according to FTDNA Charts. I am the owner of My 1st Cousin Y-DNA which is RBY75803 My 5th closes match is R-BY62640 My 3rd closest match is RM269.

I hadn't realized that the R-BY variations are related to the M269. Thanks to you both for shedding light on that.

That being said I do not know who William Park Bryan is or why my R-BY75803 migrated to him. I Do know why RBY62640 and RBY75803 are migrating together. They are related but one branch has mutated off the other.
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/mechanisms-the-process...
External influences can cause mutations
Mutations can also be caused by exposure to specific chemicals or radiation that cause the DNA to break down. Cells do have mechanisms to repair damaged or altered DNA molecules, but they aren’t perfect. Whatever the cause, mutations occur any time a cell ends up carrying a DNA sequence slightly different than the original.

I knew that over periods of time there are mutations but I had never even considered that exposure to chemicals can alter our DNA. Makes perfect sense, especially radiation.

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