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A Strange Decision on Geni's Part

Started by Private User on Sunday, October 8, 2023
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Just came across another Profile with a box at top with the comment "This profile was born more than 125 years ago and, if the birth year is correct, should be marked deceased.
Mark this profile deceased now.:

Currently Geni has a broken up black band diagonally across the corner and has it Public.

It is marked born 1897.
SO -- if I mark it deceased, as the box suggests I should do, it will immediately become Private and I will not be able to edit it - and a Curator will not be allowed to return it to Public.

(Even if a Profile born over 150 years ago has that box, in my experience if I mark it as deceased, it has become Private -- but at least then a Curator can return it to Public)

Private User If you have access to mark it as deceased I suggest that you instead of clicking the link edit the profile where you at the same time can mark it as public before you save.

Private User -
That is possible if the Profile is one I can edit while Private.
In which case this would not be a Problem.

For the others - the System has never allowed us nonCurators to edit the Privacy Setting.
Last I checked,
If I mark deceased a profile that I can only edit because it is managed by someone in my Family Group - Geni shows it as continuing to be Private until Saved, when finished Saving it is Public and I cannot change it back to Private except by marking it living.
Not sure if they ever fixed to go by current default rules, so if born less than 150 years ago, will be or can be Private - I have complained about that plus the fact of them showing it as still Private at time you click Save.

In this type situation - where Geni has it Public tho marked Living - again the Privacy Change has always revealed itself upon it finishing Saving.

To clarify a bit -- we can all edit a Public Profile on the World Tree.
That includes editing its living status.

I am not talking about clicking a link - but editing the Public Profile

Just checked with a Public Profile I do not have edit rights to if Private -
Privacy choices grayed out, ball in Public, Living Status editable.
Change to Living and immediately Privacy status changed to choices grayed out, ball in Private. So if I looked, it was shown correctly!
Living status stayed editable
(Did not save that way - would have been unable to fix if did)

I agree, it is not consistent behavior.

It may help if you can create a ticket with an example profile, so Geni can look at the log.

The last time I tested it (a while ago) there was also some inconsistency in the handling of the inconsistency for too old to be living. Fixing that inconsistency could make a profile public, when a curator was not allowed to do that.

Request #136276 -- Submitted Apr 6, 2022
Starting
"When editing a Private living profile I have edit permission for only because I am in the Manager's Family Group -- at least for Profiles born recently enough to remain Private, possibly for all -- the Edit Screen continues to show it will be Private, but clicking Save results in its becoming Public -- and my not having the ability to change the Privacy while leaving Deceased.

I am not sure if the Bug is that the Edit Screen is lying to me, or that it is not following the current policy of defaulting to Private if born less than 150 years ago or? But at the very least it should show us the truth of what the Privacy Status will be." (Specific link, screen shots, Best, Lo)

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Got response Apr 7, 2022
"Thank you for contacting Geni.

There's actually no bug in this case. The born less than 150 years ago policy is that family and/or profile managers may make the profiles private if they prefer to do so. When adding profiles or editing to update the living status to deceased, we have a set of rules to determine whether or not the site would recommend that a profile be private. If none of those rules apply, the profile is marked public.

In this particular case, it's understandable that you would want the option to set it back to private. We will look into this scenario further to take into consideration a possible change in these cases. I have assisted in making the profile of Moses Wassarman private unless you think it should remain public then we can change it back to public.
Kind regards,
Hiromimarie"

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On the same day, I added
"Hiromimarie,

Geni following the rules Geni has set up to determine whether or not the site would recommend that the deceased profile be private, or giving all of us who can edit it when it is Private the choice to edit Privacy Status when deceased and born less than 150 years ago would in my opinion be good.

But regardless of that --
While in the Edit Screen, after one changes the Profile to Deceased, if Geni is going to make the Profile Public, it should show it as Public -- not be showing it will stay Private when in fact it will be made Public. To me, that that is not happening is clearly a bug. Do you actually disagree, or were you just not thinking about that aspect?" (Best, Lo)

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And I responded again in Sept. 2022 -
"Still happening.
Still shows will be Private but makes it Public
Recent case - Private

(So I made her Living again, then added myself as a Manager. Then it stayed Private when I made deceased.
Aside: I see Geni no longer asks, Do you want to make Public or Let Geni decide. - is that on purpose? And if so, why? )"

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Still open.
Only ever that one response from Hiromimarie, rest all my comments.

There are more problems with the change of privacy. When I see another example I will raise a ticket for it. It might help, but I have several tickets that are already open for a number of years, so we will have to wait and see.

Louis, - you said you had the link: "Mark this profile deceased now.:", which tells me that you had access to do so.

Private User - ALL Geni users have access to edit Public Profiles on the World Tree.
When Geni does the dotted black band on a Profile marked living, it is treated as if Public -- ALL Geni users can see and edit it.

At least, those are the ones I am talking about.

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