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Started by Private User on Wednesday, October 25, 2023
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This project calls for putting the twin symbol ♊ in the suffix field, but it tends to create an error symbol in tree view. I began putting the ♊ symbol in the Display Name, and created a Label titled Twin, this way if someone does not like the display and ends up deleting it, the label Twin will be in the profile. I've noticed a few profiles that were NOT mine, but I edited to have the ♊ symbol, were deleted out, so as to not step on toes, I decided the Display Name was a better option, because the Red Alert error symbol bothers people.

Also the Label Twin can also have the ♊ symbol as well as you can name who the person is a twin of.

An example would be this profile that I edited: Johannes Bergmann ♊

But this means, that you shall use display name allways.
I have seen usage in Last Name / Surname box: Smith, ♊
Which displays then: John Smith, ♊
everywhere (all views) then.

Lauri Kreen I am not understanding what you are saying. Is it wrong to do it the way I suggested? I keep seeing red error signs in the shared World Tree and it can disturb other users to see the error. I noticed some of the profiles I have given the ♊ symbol to in the suffix field, was removed by the creator of the profile or someone else. It seems to pose a problem.

This disturbs me greatly. Geni offers many options of handing the names - see https://www.geni.com/account_settings/name_preferences

They are each members personal preference. Even within my family we have elected to display the names in different ways, You have selfishly decided to enter and use the display name, which trumps all other options, so that we can only display the name that you decide, whether we prefer a different format, or not.

I don't understand the problem.

If you feel that the occurrence of a twin requires special significance, I would suggest simply adding "twin of xxxxx" to the About comments as appropriate. It requires less work on your part, and conveys much more to the reader.

Elaine

This is a Twin Project. The project requires putting the symbol in the Suffix. I'm saying that the problem causes a RED ERROR message in tree view when a symbol is added to the Suffix. This RED symbol causes some Geni users to want to delete the error, therefore they will delete the symbol that is causing it. So, my suggestion was, instead of putting it in the suffix, perhaps we just put it in the Display Name, and/or in it's own Field as I suggested in the link I shared.

https://www.geni.com/projects/Twins-Triplets-and-other-multiples/12836 The Twin Group.

It says:
"We recommend to mark twins - to paste into suffix box: ♊"

That particular symbol in the suffix is creating "red error" (looks like a stop sign with an exclamation point in it in tree view).

"We recommend to mark twins - to paste into suffix box: ♊"
Question: I'm a basic user - who is 'we'.

I will explain again: if you use the display name as a solution, you are destroying the valuable name options that geni has provided.

The weirdest outcome is that you have provided the symbol for a twin, and that someone has deleted the symbol for the corresponding twin. One hand clapping?

Again, suggestion is to add "twin of xxxxx" to the 'About' to the relevant profiles.

Why not just delete the Twin project - I can't see the point - just put the fact in the About section of the profile.. Nobody is ever going to enquire about the Twin project: Go on - try and find a particular person of the Twin Project.

Why did you put a profile in the Twin project: what did you intend to achieve? Nobody, and I mean nobody will ever scan the profiles of this project

"We" is the project "Twins, Triplets, and other Multiples."

It states that those in the Project are to use the suffix field to place the Twin Symbol on twin profiles.

I didn't create the Twin project. I once had someone invite one of "my" twin profiles to the project, and in doing so, I joined. I don't delete other peoples' projects.

And, though, the project is of no interest to you, it is of interest to others. There are currently 143 followers and at least 117 collaborators, including curators.

It's kind of a "Catch-22" (no good answer - yet).

As pointed out earlier, using the Display Name messes with each individual's preferences for how names are shown to them. Particularly for married women in more modern times where they tend to take their husband's surname after marriage.

Using the suffix field -- which used to work fine -- now raises an 'invalid suffix' in Geni's build-in checks.

The goal, for some, is to have a visible indicator of twins, triplets, ... in both lists and in Tree View (if the overall name is not too long ...).

The best solution, in my view, might be to have Geni make some of the Consistency Checks have user options; in this case, for the user to be able to select or un-select the check on the Suffix name field. Mike Stangel?

See related discussion https://www.geni.com/discussions/256561?msg=1661269

Please be aware that the symbol

  • does not show on all devices
  • is not universally understood to mean multiple birth

Twin in the suffix field does not cause an inconsistency

I avoid using Display Names as they tend to override individuals personal display name preferences

It shows up an as "Inconsistency" on my end which as me wondering and "caring" about how the treeview looks for other people. I wish t could show it to you, but don't know how, or if discussions allow for posting images.

Anyway, thanks to Dan Cornett and Private User for your feedback. These were more of the type of answers I "needed." I may hold off in participating in the twins group because I don't want to upset other users as I go through the tree and find Twins (not actively searching, but sometimes I see them).

I will just use the extra Label field to add "Twin." I do think it is important to add TWIN somewhere on the profile, because sometimes similar names get merged together. I mean, I would want or think that these names would be the same person: Marc Johnson born 1/1/2023 and Marcus Johnson born 1/1/2023, or Gary Johnson born 1/1/2023 and Garold Johnson 1/1/2023 or Darrel Johnson 1/1/2023 and Darren Johnson 1/1/2023...I'd initially think one was a shortened name for the other or a typo.

Sorry about MY typos in the above message. I'm in bed, using my laptop, and my keyboard is super small. :\

I put "Twin of xxxx" in the suffix field and it shows in horizontal tree view and everyone can see it. Plus you can name the people, which solves a number of problems when siblings don't have determined birth dates or people disagree.

I use the ♊ symbol to denote "multiples" per the "Twins, Triplets, and other Multiples" project. I've never seen it yield an error in tree view. I've looked at "multiples" in tree view with the following web browsers:

• Brave (both standard-release and beta)
• Microsoft Edge
• Google Chrome
• Safari

Private User, if you're encountering an error in your web browser when viewing a "multiple" with the ♊ symbol in tree view, I suspect that the cause is some sort of misconfiguration, shortcoming or problem on your computing device - either with the web browser or with the operating system.

I forgot to mention: I'm using Microsoft Edge right now, and I used it to view Johannes Bergmann ♊ in tree view, and it looked perfect.

John Albert Rigali that is because, I didn't put it in the Suffix. I put it in the Display as well as added it to the Extra label field where I also added the name of the person's twin. I'm wondering if that is OK?

John Albert Rigali maybe i should have used the word, "Inconsistency." I get that alert on the profiles in tree view, not an "error" message.

I just added the ♊ symbol to my display name field, then switched to tree view, and it looked perfect. Take a look for yourself and report what you see: https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000010151516778

(Note that my dad is a twin and has the ♊ symbol in his suffix field.)

Private User Re inconsistencies - I just select “Mark correct for all users”

A lot of the inconsistencies are just suggestions for the profile to be reviewed - they can’t really program for all the nuances in profiles that span thousands of years and cross every culture.
In 1800’s Australia is was fairly common for a girl to marry and have children at 14 and also not uncommon for there to be large differences in ages between spouses. I am forever marking them as correct on Geni.

John Albert Rigali It depends on what devices and internet browser people are using.

On one of my devices I can see it and on another I cannot.

Private User Re display name

Have a look at https://www.geni.com/account_settings/name_preferences - this is where users can choose how they prefer to see names displayed.

If you use display name

  • firstly you are overwriting a users preference unless they turn off the show display names in which case they won’t see the symbol at all. I have found that some users remove values in display names - because of it overwriting their personal preference.
  • Secondly, Using display names also tends to hide bad merges because it hides the name in the name fields.

Private User - Sorry for late reply.

I just thought that using Display Name is not the best question.
If Curators and Geni can agree that ♊ symbol is OK for marking twins, triplets etc., then Geni can add it to known suffixes and all realated conflits (inconcistencies) will disappear.

Private User I have seen many bad merges where twins (tjhe same birth date) have found as duplicates and merged by some users.

In some other discussions users had requested many different visual markings: twins, died young (i.e. underage), remained single, never had children, stillborn etc. - to see diferences in tree and profile views and to avoid bad merges (even if no dates are known or entered to Geni).

I have never seen this symbol in a genealogical context, and would not have known what it signifies: I would have deleted it as some kind of aberration - Now you've got one half of a pair of twins in the tree.

I'm sure most users would do the same.

Elaine

Private User I did the same - I had no idea that it was supposed to mean multiple births,.

In my case I became aware of it when a user removed the words twin, triplet etc from the suffix field and replaced it with this symbol - to me this was removing valuable information from the profile.

I did a google search on genealogical symbols for multiple births and this symbol does not show up anywhere. It appears to be solely used on Geni.

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