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Hannah Plumb (Crane) - Not the daughter of Jasper Crane and Joanne Swaine.

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Also the husband given here is 20 years her junior.

The nearest to accurate that I can find for it (using valid, i.e. seriously researched, sources) is:

770. Joanna Crane5 [300], (Ezekiel,4 Joseph,3 Jasper,2 Jasper1), married JOHN PLUM, said to be son of Mary Plum. Had the following, and perhaps other children:

1. Isaac (Plum), he or his son were first to put the letter e to their names.

Joanna's father:

297. Ezekiel Crane4 [99], (Joseph,3 Jasper,2 Jasper1), lived in that part of Newark called Lyons Farms. March 12, 1754, he was chosen one of the surveyors of highways in Newark. He died about 1794. His will, dated 1787, names the following children :

298—1. Joseph.

299---2. Elias, b. April 10, 1753.

300---3. Joanna; m. Mr. PLUME.

301—4. Rachael; m. Joseph Lyon, Nov. 19, Farms, N.J. 1766, and were of Lyons

302—5. Phebe, b. 1740.

303—6. Sarah.

Genealogy of the Crane Family (c. 1900), p. 321 AND (omitted from the 1900 copy):

Genealogy of the Crane Family (c. 1895) p. 348

https://archive.org/details/genealogyofcrane02cran_0/page/321/mode/...

https://archive.org/details/genealogyofcrane02cran/page/n377/mode/2...

However Joanna's Geni profile attributes her mother as Abigail Baldwin (conjecture, perhaps):

Joanna Plum / Plume

And based on that conjecture, along with the Baldwin genealogy, Geni has attributed "Vreeland" as her alleged husband.

https://archive.org/details/baldwingenealogy00bald/page/306/mode/2up

However, the CRANE genealogy clearly states in both the 1895 and 1900 editions, that she married a John Plum (aka Plumb, Plume), possibly the son of Mary Plum.

The CRANE genealogy does not name Ezekiel Crane's wife. Only his children, based on the data from his will.

And the BALDWIN genealogy gives Abigail Baldwin's husband only as "Crane" (no first name or any other identifying information).

So that Hannah "Vreeland" is not well documented.

I mean to say the connection between Hannah (Crane) Vreeland and any Crane at all, whether Ezekiel or Jasper, is not well documented here on Geni or anywhere that I'm aware of.

We only know from the Baldwin genealogy that Abigail Baldwin married "a Crane" and had a daughter, Hannah Vreeland.

But the Crane genealogy is specific that Ezekiel (not Jasper) had a daughter Joanna, who married John Plum/Plumb/Plume, thought to be the son of Mary Plum.

I went ahead and merged Hannah Mary Plumb and now her parents show Azariah Crane and Mary Treat.

I merged Joanna Plum / Plume and now she has a birthdate, when she did not before. But, it now has an inconsistency with Ezekiel being her father, as their birth years are too close together. Could she and Ezekiel actually be siblings? The tree looks messed up now.

Private User I appreciate very much your response and interest in this family tree. Here's what I'm seeing, at this point. (And I agree it's difficult, due to some prior mixups that had been left standing, apparently; so please bear with me.) I've been using wills along with the Crane, and to some extent the Lyon, Baldwin, and any other relevant genealogies, as my sources.

Children of Azariah Crane and Mary Treat:

19 — 1. HANNAH; m. John PLUM, of Milford, Conn., and had Mary, who m. Mr. Dickenson.

- So that part looks fine, except it was their daughter MARY who married Mr. Dickenson, not Hannah.

- It appears the Hannahs and Marys were already conflated somehow, before your merge.

- Since Hannah is definitely not Jasper's daughter, the merge seems reasonable now that you have disconnected the wrong parents.

- We just need to separate the mother/daughter (Hannah/Mary) conflated profiles and treat Hannah and her daughter Mary Dickenson separately.

20— 2. Nathaniel, b. about 1680.

21— 3. Azariah, b. 1682.

22— 4. Robert, b. 1684.

23— 5. Jane, b. 1686.

24— 6. Mary, b. 1693; m. Mr. Baldwin.

25— 7. John, b. 1695.

26 — 8. Richard; d. in infancy.

27— 9. Jasper; d. in infancy.

Okay, I'll leave that there now while I take a look at Ezekiel next.

I hadn't noticed before, that Azariah also had a daughter "Hannah" who married a John Plum. It makes sense though, because the two families lived in the same community and probably belonged to the same church.

However, I doubt the accuracy of the birthdate of EZEKIEL's daughter "Hannah (Crane) Plum" here on Geni, since she is being shown as 20 years older than her husband. So I'll look at that in my next post.

Correction, first: "Since Hannah (Crane) PLUM is definitely not Jasper's daughter,"

(I understand that Jasper did have a daughter, Hannah, who was not Mrs. John Plum.)

Before I get into Ezekiel's line, here's more info about Mary, daughter of Hannah, daughter of Azariah Crane, and John Plum:

105. Elihu Crane3 [30], (Jasper,2 Jasper1), married Mary Plum. She afterwards married Rev. Jonathan Dickenson, one of the first presidents of Princeton College. [Elihu] died in Newark, N.J., April 27, 1732, aged 43. His will names children. She died Aug. 30, 1762, in the 68th year of her age. [Elihu] served the town as overseer of the poor in 1725, and collector of taxes in 1728-1730.

Children:

106— 1. Lewis, b. 1718.

107— 2. Christopher, b. 1720; d. April 17, 17.50, without issue.

108— 3. Charles, b. 1724; d. April 22, 1758, without issue.

109— 4. Elihu, b. 1726.

110— 5. Isaac; d. without issue.

111 — 6. Hannah.

112— 7. Phebe.

(So Mary's first marriage was obviously a cousin marriage of some sort; I think Elihu was her mother's first cousin, but don't quote me on that. I'd have to double check it to be more precise.)

I have Ezekiel's and his daughter, Joanna's lines, in the OP. (Ezekiel was Azariah's nephew, and had several siblings including Benjamin, Isaac, Israel, Josiah, Joseph, and Joanna.).

We should be able to extrapolate a more accurate birthdate for her, based on her father's and other family members.

Meanwhile, here's a well documented burial record for Mary (Plum) Dickenson (formerly Mrs. Elihu Crane), daughter of Hannah (daughter of Azariah Crane): https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/124868540/mary-dickinson

She was b. 1695, d. 1762.

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Another well-documented burial in Newark, is that of MARY Plume, wife of Samuel Plum[e]. She died 1754 in her 59th year of age. Their children aren't shown here, so it is possible they had a son, John Plum who m. Ezekiel's daughter, Joanna Crane (her siblings, birthdates were in the mid 1700s).

(I'm currently working on a will for a Stephen Crane of Newark, NJ (d. 1813) who spelled his wife, Joanna's name, "Johannah", which is a common spelling variation. Often such spelling variations can cause as much confusion as nicknames that were also seen in documents such as wills and censuses.)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/12950055/mary-plume

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Looking closer at Ezekiel's father's family, we see that he had a sister, Joanna (Crane) CONGER; and that Mary Plume (daughter of John and Hannah (Crane) Plumb; who was also the grand-daughter of Azariah Crane, Ezekiel's uncle or g-uncle) -- married his uncle Elihu Crane (brother of Joseph, David, Jonathan, and Hannah, children of Jasper2).

96. Joseph Crane,3 Esq. [29], (Jasper,2 Jasper1), married Abigail Lyon, daughter of Joseph Lyon. He died 1726, aged 50. His will names children given below.

Was magistrate of the county for many years. Served the town in 1721 as freeholder. His name appears among the charter members in the patent of incorporation for the town of Newark, N.J., issued by the province of New Jersey, April 27, 1713. March 28, 1719, he received a deed of warrant of 92 acres of land located in Newark, from the New Jersey Society. April 20, 1720, from same source, a warrant for 120 acres; and again, Feb. 27, 1724, 21 1/4 acres; also, Dec. 18, 1724, 120 acres. These tracts of land came to him from the New Jersey Society as heir to the right of his father. He was chosen surveyor of highways March 8, 1720.

Children :

97 -— 1. Benjamin, b. Nov. 27, 1705; d. 1777.

98 -— 2. Isaac, b. Oct. 8, 1709.

99 -— 3. EZEKIEL, b. May 8, 1711.

100— 4. Israel, b. Jan. 2, 1713; d. Aug. 1, 1785.

101— 5. Josiah, b. Jan. 2, 1716.

102— 6. Joseph, b. Dec. 28, 1717; m. Elizabeth Johnson. •

103— 7. Joanna, b. Sept. 8, 1718; m. Samuel CONGER.

104— 8. Abigail, b. April 1, 1727.

[https://archive.org/details/genealogyofcrane02cran_0/page/309/mode/... Genealogy of the Crane Family (c. 1900), p. 309]

So this other Hannah (or more likely, Johannah) Crane, wife of John Plum who was seen as the daughter of a Mary Plum -- was not Ezekiel's sister. She was definitely his daughter.

Seeing you are a Pro user, feel free to correct as needed, such as splitting the tree. I "inherited" the tree when someone abandoned it, so I don't know anything about it, other than what you have shared here in the discussion. I would love to hand all the work over to you, because I am not a descendant. I think you're doing great!

I'll do the best I can with it. You're wonderful and much appreciated for everything you do (past, present, and future).

There weren't as many Cranes in Westfield/Elizabeth NJ as there were in in Newark (dozens of Crane freeholders in 1755 Newark; only one or two in Elizabeth, NJ). So any kinship to me is very slight, possibly blood cousins or maybe just in-laws, a long time ago.

But in studying Essex County wills I ran across several belonging to Cranes and have been fascinated with the many social and familial connections they reveal. So as I go along, as much as possible I try to find and attach them to their rightful Geni profiles. Accurate, easily readable and accessible charts can provide a fairly good visual reference, if only as a general guideline.

I'd suspected there were a lot of Cranes in the area, but never realized just how many there really were. They literally dominated probably half of Newark in those days, owning most of the property on at least one side of town.

Which makes keeping their lines accurate that much more interesting and important. One of my classmates and very dear friend was a Crane, and I would love to know if her line traces back to one of these from NJ.

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I just had a great idea: The same or very similar Geni software and programs, but in a separate, "private" mode, so that we could choose to use the exact same tools individually, without having to reach consensus on every little detail.

Because people naturally have different opinions and ideas about everything, incuding genealogy. And it's laborious trying to persuade people with only a passing interest in our trees (not you or anyone specifically, just in general), to make changes they may find incomprehensible.

I'd want to keep the World Tree, collaborative version too, of course. I still think there's a place and many valuable benefits in that.

Ideally, with a private Geni version, we could copy and paste whatever we need from the public version -- but with unlimited freedom to make whatever changes we deem appropriate and suitable. And we could still have the option to discuss, source, and lobby for changes in the public tree, whenever necessary.

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