DNA

Details of L1065 based on FTDNA's findings:

The R-L1065 Story
R-L1065's paternal line was formed when it branched off from the ancestor R-L1335 and the rest of mankind around 1200 BCE.

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This date is an estimate based on genetic information only. With a 95% probability, the most recent common ancestor of all members of haplogroup R-L1065 was born between the years 104 BCE and 426 CE. The most likely estimate is 180 CE, rounded to 200 CE.

This estimate will likely change in the future as more people test and we improve the method.

The Scientific Details section contains more information.

He is the ancestor of at least 4 descendant lineages known as R-Z16325, R-Z16329, R-FT96452, & R-FTC495.
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Descendant lineages are identified as people test their Y-DNA with the Big Y test.

There are 2,550 DNA tested descendants, and they specified that their earliest known origins are from:

Scotland,
United States,
Ireland and 25 other countries

Descendants of R-L1065 are from these countries

Scotland - 757
United States - 308
Ireland - 199
Other Countries - 25

I'm getting the Big Y test done this year. The MTDNA is preparing right now. I hope to use the MTDNA to prove your theory, or at least, help find out what we want to know.

My main goal at this point, is to find the lineage of one Crinan The Thane and trace it back to a point where no males carried on the gene. Once that's done, George Washington's complete lineage can be published.

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MtDNA at our current level of understanding and from what information is available from it’s testing is of negligible use to genealogy.

I don't know about that Mormaer. Without my Y-DNA data, I am unable to connect myself to anyone else that has my Y gene. I mean, yah, the documentation is great, but what if it's been transposed over time, non-existent.

How is documentation any use to any of us if it doesn't exist?

To me, this is where DNA comes in. To help. Not prove.. but guide and help.

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You made a reference to mtDNA in your previous comment. Which being mitochondrial is of little use.

I agree Big Y DNA testing is invaluable in determining lineages.

Mormaer,

Going back to the above statement. I'm curious when DNA and documentation will get "married" so to speak... kwim?

We have to understand the difference. Documentation is historical items that in one way shape or form, prove lineage via a written record.

Well, what if like in my case of Prince William Washington... I did not HAVE, the documentation. (at first, I have it now but that's beside the point).

Is that to say, since I cannot or could not find any documentation at all on prior descendents, then... how can ANYONE prove their lineage if that documentation is gone, or no other documentation has been given to support the lineage?

This is a really clear cut question... so let me ask it a different way too.

Just what "IS" DNA good for, in your opinion?

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Pretty sure science in Y DNA will trump paper.

Cool.. love the beard by the way : )