House of Dunkeld

Hello!
Greetings from Sweden and Queen Victoria's third great grandaughter.
Your project sounds interesting.
I have roots in Scotland on both my parents side. I love love to compare our Gedmatch #.

Best regard,

H.S.H. Lady Marianne Silfverlåås titular countess Saxe-Gotha-Altenbutg. O.M.

Marianne,

It is an absolute pleasure to meet what I "think" would be my cousin if I'm not mistaken?

Queen Elizabeth is (was) my 9th cousin, according to Geni. Apparently Augustine Washington (George's father), was 2nd cousins to the Spencers.

How do we do that? How do we compare Gedmatch #'s? I have been off of this site for about 2 years now. Need to catch up on the latest.

I will be honest, I have been trying to speak with a member of the royal family for some time now, but.. just couldn't get to anyone. My lineage is as such:

Charles Washington (George's youngest full blooded brother, Revolutionary War Colonel)
Samiel Washington (Kanawha County, WV)
Francis Augustine Washington (Kanawha County, WV)
Prince William Washington (Civil War, 11th Virginia Infantry, Company (F) - Preston guards)
Prince Edward Washington (WWI Army)
Floyd Lee Washington, Sr. (WWII Navy)
Floyd Lee Washington, Jr. (his brother, my only uncle Lloyd, served Vietnam Khe San 11 mths
then Me... (Jeffery "Mark" Washington - Civil Sector - IRS - 2006-20017 - Data Storage Admin)

~ Mark

Hello Cousin's 💞 I am also come from Scottish descent...Sir William Wallace of Elderslie is my 20th Great Grand Father according to geni. Let's exchange Gedmatch numbers...mine is TA7057982

I don't know how to add a profile link to these discussions...

Polly,

William Wallace is a legendary cousin of ours. I'd be glad to converse with you. I believe I have to export my GEDCOM information first before we compare. There are several options... should I be choosing to export my "blood" relations? Need help in determining the best way to export that info.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Wow, really glad to meet all of you. I don't even get to collaborate this much in the town I live in, LOL.

~ Mark

Morning Cousin Jeffery Mark Washington let's start with your kit number from Gedmatch, not your GED com yet...😁

In reference to the GED com I would do blood related.

Ok, I think I found what we're looking for. I had to reset my password to get in and get the kit# ... Let me know what you find:

Your DNA Resources
Kit Number Status Kit Name Kit Privacy Edit
DH9527459 Jeffery Mark Washington
LE access enabled

Jeffery Mark Washington perfect 😊🙏

Jeffery Mark Washington our matches Cuz 🤗
"Comparing Kit TA7057982 (Polly Ramos) [Select a Company or Source] and Kit DH9527459 (*Jeff M. Washington) [FTDNA]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs Segment threshold Bunch limit SNP Density Ratio
1 177,071,733 181,466,550 3.2 626 193 116 0.26
4 14,280,826 16,487,781 4.1 392 191 114 0.25
4 179,541,387 181,351,635 3.3 334 204 122 0.25
12 25,392,282 27,441,832 3 400 240 144 0.31
12 130,649,962 131,467,634 3.1 296 209 125 0.37
15 31,557,581 33,259,043 3.5 245 204 122 0.31
22 25,308,272 26,565,156 3.7 262 220 132 0.3

Largest segment = 4.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 24cM

7 shared segments found for this comparison.

428945 SNPs used for this comparison.
"
https://app.gedmatch.com/v_compare2.php#:~:text=Comparing%20Kit%20T....

Now I'll run out X chromosome

Jeffery Mark Washington lol I understand Cuz, very confusing lol those other numbers are just the exact area of each chromosome that we match 😊🙏

Mark you should read Nicholas Martiau the Adventurous Huguenot the Military Engineer and Earliest American Ancestor of George Washington Jan 1932. George was black and check out Essay by Ben Franklin on the Increase of Mankind dated 1751. See paragraph 24. The world pre 1751 was almost entirely black. Lots of books in Arabic not in English tell the story of blacks ruling the planet for 5700 years up to post French Revolution from a black Adam BCE4000. History is wrong sad to say. We are living in a dystopian Matrix. Haplo E is the base haplo of the world from Biblical times. Washington was most likely an E like me, Einstein, Wright Brothers , all the black rich and powerful Jews mostly Es. Like Sinclairs of Jamaica and Berkeley line in the House of Lords.

Jeffery Mark Washington well geni says he is my 25th GGF 💖

A note here about Catholics and Protestants....

It is very sad that there was any bloodshed or turmoil between either of these groups.

I did a short study, and it appears to me that both groups believe in God.... Believe Jesus existed and died on the cross for our sins.. and then lastly, the Catholics believe you can atone for your sins in three different ways through the church and through tradition, whereas the Protestants, they say that all that matters is the "word of God", the scripture.. that's all you have to follow, to go to heaven, and that you don't have to do anything else to atone for your sins except follow the scripture.

Comparing the two books, there is a different amount of books taken from the original scriptures for each of them, so naturally some follow one set, and the other follow another, but the bottom line is... did anyone need to die because of a change in religious belief? The answer is "yes" ... because if the Catholics had such a hold on the religious ways of life, that they wouldn't let people practice their own religion (as they do here in America), and they were physically punishing people who did.... well, you may as well of practiced witchcraft, and went out with a bang, because the Catholics resisted change, and that was their downfall.

You should never judge a person by their religious beliefs, as long as they don't interfere with yours. If the Catholic purses were getting lighter due to the loss of followers to Protestantism, then that's pride... and they shouldn't of attacked or retributed, but those were the times. People were truly offended if you didn't believe what they believed and it was terrible to see the results of not having religious freedom.

At any rate, the reason I did this study is because I read Polly's new follow:

William III King of the United Kingdom, Prince of Orange, Stadtholder of Holland & Zealand, & Guelders & Utrecht & Overijssel

I'm related to his mother, and maternal grandfather, King James I.

~

Wilton,

Haplotype E is definitely African, East African to be more accurate:

What race is haplogroup E?
Haplogroup E-M96
suggested an East African origin for haplogroup E, stating: "our phylogeographic analysis, based on thousands of samples worldwide, suggests that the radiation of haplogroup E started about 58 ka, somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa, with a higher posterior probability (0.73) for an eastern African origin."

fyi, I would like to meet and/or speak with this person:

Lady Amelia Windsor

Update: The curators of Crinan the Thane's profile do NOT know much past his father's lineage, therefore, there is no current break in the male line of the Washingtons. I told them that I'm going to be searching every manuscript from here to heaven to try and find out anything, rumors, or whatever about Crinan's lineage, and how he became king at all.

Like I said before, George was just a link in the chain of many great men, and I aim to find all the links in the chain. Right now, it ends with Crinan, but that is amazingly far back as it is, and it will be interesting to see where the male line ends.

I told them, after I find the break in the line, I will write the book, and that all historians around the world should want to know the answer to this question, same as I.

I will keep everyone posted on what I find because if you remove Crinan... all of us linked to him, wouldn't exist.

~

Making notes here:

Crinan of Dunkeld (Mac Donnchad)
birth: 976 Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland
Death: 1045

----> son of:

Father: Duncan Mac Donnchad
birth: 949, Atholl, Perthsire, Scotland
Death: Aug. 14, 1040, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland (aged 91)

----> son of:

Father: Duncan Mac Donnchadh
birth: 920, Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland
Death: Aug. 14, 965, Duncrub, Perthshire, Scotland (45 years)
(did anyone notice both men died on August 14th? .. (strange - avoid the month of August Washingtons!)

-----> son of:

Duncan Mac Donachadh of Caithness:
birth: 890, Dull, Perthshire, Scotland
Death: about 1000, Petty, Inverness, Scotland (aged 110 years)
(HE OUTLIVED HIS SON!)

-----> son of:

DEAD END - So the envelope is now 890 A.D. (was 976 A.D) we made progress today : )

Note:
Duncan Mac Donachadh of Caithness, his wife was Groa Thane Dule Thorsteinsdottir. b. 920 d.965 (aged 45 years)

Clues Page 1. (Very possible Donnachad had Erinviene roots)

Source: https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/family-tree-cromer-russell-buck-...

(1) "The Scots Peerage"- Vol.III, "Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar." pp.239-40

DUNCAN, 1st of ERYVINE, was succeeded by his eldest son and heir, also DUNCAN, about whom we know little except that he also seems to have succeeded Dubdon as Mormaer of Athole, as he is called ‘Lord of Athole’. At the battle of Luncarty (of uncertain date), where the Danes were routed, Duncan commanded the left wing of the Scottish forces, under King Kenneth III. This Duncan is the progenitor of the oldest recorded families in Great Britain; the noble family of Dunbar is certainly descended from him, and traditionally so are the noble families of Irving and Home, all in the male line; not to mention the Royal Family and numerous other families by female descent.

300 to 1306 A.D.

Sometime before 373 A.D., the Clans of the Gaelic Nations came from the west coast of Spain and established themselves on the east coast of Ireland. From there they moved on to the west coast of Scotland, and the Scots called them "Erinviene's". Erin - meaning from the west, Viene - meaning a brave, resolute, worthy man. During this time the Erinviene's had close relations with the Kings of Scotland.

During the time the Erinviene's stayed on the west coast of Scotland they built Irving castle, which later became the Town of Irving, and named the Irving River after their clan. Today, both the town and the river are called Irvine.

In 373 A.D. the Erinviene's, together with other Scottish clans, fought against the Romans. King Eugenius died, and the Erinviene's and the rest of the Albion Scots fled to Scandinavia. For many years the Scots tried to retake their land. In 404 A.D., Fergus was made King. Fergus II led the return to Scotland and, along with the Erinviene's and other Clans, they drove the Romans out of Scotland.

Three Erivine brothers - Erinus, Grim and Duncan - were grandsons of Duncan, the first of the Eryvine's, who was killed at Duncrub in 965 A.D.

Clues Page 2. Source: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D%C3%BAn_Caillen-1

Killed in battle fighting overthrow of King Duff --- records state the hereditary Abbots of Dunkeld, specifically Duncan, killed in 965 AD. were the senior branch of the kin of St. Columba (521 AD- 597 AD) who was descended from Conal Gulban in the 3rd degree (great grandson) thus establishing the Lakeys are also descended of Conal Gulban. Abbot Duncan was descended from Conal Gulban in the 15th degree. [1]

Records from Scotland state the family was in Scotland as early as 650 in the Dumbatton -Loch Lomond area. Duncan, the Heriditary Lay Abbot of Dunkeld was killed in battle in 965 fighting to overthrow King Duff.

The earliest record of the family except for St. Columba, of Iona, was Dunchad (Donnchaddh the 11th abbot of Iona, who died in 717. Donnchahh was the Irish name which became Dunchad and later Duncan. Dunchad Lay Abbot of Dunkeld was born ca 910 and was killed in battle about 965 He had a son, whose name is not recorded, who was hereditary Lay Abbot of Dunkeld. He was born about 945, and was father of Crinan the Thane, born ca 975 and killed 1045

Clues Page 3: source: https://electricscotland.com/webclans/cairney/71.htm

The Ulaid
The Ulaid were the great Erainnian people who gave their name to Ulster, and it is they who are celebrated in the Ulster Cycle. Their direct royal representatives in historical times were the Dal bhFiatach of County Down, but they also encompassed the Ui Duach and Dal Riada as well.

The Dal bhFiatach or MacDonlevys (Mac Duinnshleibhe) were a warlike clan
that held great power in County Down and South Antrim until 1177, when they met and were defeated by the Norman army under John de Courcy, though only after brave resistance. The battle occurred near Downpatrick.

The DaL Riada were originally a tribe of North Antrim in Ireland, but from as early as the third century, and especially during the late fifth century there had been a steady settlement of the adjacent coastal and island areas of Scotland by these Dal Riada Scots. This area, which became the Scottish part of the greater tribal kingdom of Dal Riada, was separated from the rest of Scotland by mountains. The Scottish part of the tribal kingdom of Dal Riada was known as Argyll which means "coastland of the Gaels," for by this time the population of Ireland had long been Gaelic-speaking, and the Dal Riada considered themselves to be Gaels in the general sense, though nonetheless Erainn in the context of ethno-dynastic politics. About A.D. 500 the kings of Dal Riada took up permanent residence in the Argyle, and with the coming of the Vikings in the ninth century, the tribe, by then centered in Argyle, was cut off from their Irish collateral kinsmen in Antrim, the O’Quins of Antrim, who declined in power after the Anglo-Norman invasion. The chief kindreds of the Dal Riada of Argyle, the Cineal Loairn and the Cineal nGabrain, soon spread into much of Scotland with the uniting of their kingdom and the Kingdom of the Picts (Chapter IV).

Note1*: The prehistoric Érainn royal dynasties are sometimes referred to as the Dáirine.[4][5]

Note2*: The Dál Riata and Dál Fiatach (or Ulaid) in Ulster are also considered Érainn. The Érainn appear to have been a powerful group in the proto-historic period, but in early historical times were largely reduced to politically marginal status, with the notable exception of the enigmatic Osraige

Note3*: Érainn: Clanna Dedad
The genealogies trace the descent of the Érainn from two separate eponymous ancestors, Ailill Érann and Íar mac Dedad. Legendary relatives of the latter include the Cland Dedad (offspring of Deda mac Sin), a Munster people who appear in the Ulster Cycle, led by Cú Roí, son of Dáire mac Dedad, and the legendary High King Conaire Mór, grandson of Iar and ancestor of the Síl Conairi.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverni

Comment:
Ok, I've tracked the Dal Riata back to about 300 A.D. Now I need to get the history on how they got there. Then I can back track and try to find the documentation from either the place they came from or went to. There is a possibility that his Y line never did break, from 300 A.D. If so,.. that's astonishing. To track it from 987 A.D. to 300 A.D. That's huge jump in time and understanding. I'll keep looking.

I think it's important to note here, that the Gaelic language was originally created using a combination of the 72 languages of the Tower of Babel, and that the language itself gives rise to the idea that the Tower of Babel was a real place, with ancient roots back to Iraq.

Continuing research:

This is an important note, and here's why. If the Dal Riata landed in Northwest Ireland, then they did so within a shorter timespan than they had if they landed in the SouthWest, and migrated to the North West. meaning, the origins of the Dal Riata are older than I thought. My guess was that they landed in the Northwest, and always stayed there. According to this, that is not the case. This was a search off the net.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/scotland/western/article_....

Where did the Dalriada come from?
The Dal Riata tribe originated in south west Ireland, but gradually migrated until they came to settle in the far north eastern corner of the island, in what is present day Antrim. Dal Riata in Ireland made up one of three constituent kingdoms in the overkingdom of Uladh, which comprised most of modern Ulster.

Also, in this same article, it is very important to note, that King Malcolm II, had pictish blood, as he was descended from the McAlpin's:

########## IMPORTANT ###########
It is at this point that Kenneth Mac Alpin enters the story. Although Kenneth was a Scot, he was also related to the Pictish royal family through his mother, and launched a claim for the vacant throne. One story goes that Mac Alpin invited his main rival for the crown to a meeting at Scone, only to slay him - possibly the first but not the last "Black Dinner" in Scottish history.

There is a strong possibility then, that Crinan The Thane "WAS" a Pict, or at least related to them. This is a theory I aim to prove.

This is a really good chronologically ordered list of Dal Riata Kings. What I'm trying to do is find out "why" Crinan was chosen to lead. Was it that he was of royal blood, or was he just the best man for the job at the time... I'm not sure yet, but if he was chosen due to bloodline, then his bloodline goes back along with all the other kings on this list, including Fergus Mor:

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~myfriendsthelambs2/part3/other/scottish...

I decided to post this here, so everyone can see why I should be King of Scotland. (Humorously speaking that is : )

Duncan of Strathearn, priest of Dule is your 30th great grandfather.
You → Floyd Lee Washington, Jr
your father → Floyd Lee Washington, Sr.
his father → Prince Edward Washington, Sr
his father → Pvt. Prince Edward / William Washington
his father → Francis Augustine Washington, Sr.
his father → Captain Samuel T Washington
his father → Col. Charles Washington
his father → Captain Augustine Washington
his father → Captain Lawrence Washington
his father → Colonel John Washington
his father → Reverend Lawrence Washington
his father → Lawrence Washington II
his father → Robert Washington, Sr., Esquire of Sulgrave Manor
his father → Lawrence Washington, 1st of Sulgrave
his father → John Washington
his father → Robert Washington, Jr.
his father → Robert Washington, Sr.
his father → John Washington
his father → Robert de Washington, Jr.
his father → Robert de Washington, Sr.
his father → William de Washington, III
his father → Sir Walter de Washington
his father → William De Washington, II
his father → William Fitz Patric de Washington
his father → Sir Patric FitzDolfin de Offerton
his father → Dolfin fitz Uchtred, Lord of Raby
his father → Uchtred (Maldred FitzMaldred)
his father → Gospatric, Earl of Dunbar (Gospatrick MacMaldred Dunbar mac Maldred, Earl of Northumbria)
his father → Maldred mac Crínán, Earl of Dunbar
his father → Crínán of Dunkeld (Crinan The Thane) b.978 A.D. d.1045 A.D. - Ancestor of later Kings and Queens of Scotland. Leader of the Celtic Church, educated at the Abbacy of Dull instituted by Adamnan, a successor of St Columba's at Iona. Supposedly killed along with his son Maldred , in battle against MacBeth (and Bethóc ingen Maíl Coluim meic Cináeda Queen of Scotland b.984 A.D. Perthshire Scotland, daughter of King Malcolm II)
his father → Duncan of Atholl, Mormaer of Atholl (Duncan mac Donnchad, Mormaer of Atholl) b. 945 A.D.
his father → Duncan mac Donachadh, Abthane of Dule (b. circa 910 A.D. d. 965 A.D) Cause: killed in battle fighting to over throw King Duff. records state the hereditary Abbots of Dunkeld, specifically Duncan, killed in 965 AD. were the senior branch of the kin of St. Columba (521 AD- 597 AD) who was descended from Conal Gulban in the 3rd degree (great grandson) thus establishing the Lakeys are also descended of Conal Gulban. Abbot Duncan was descended from Conal Gulban in the 15th degree.
his father → Duncan Donnchadh, Priest Thane Dule and Earl of Caithness

Extremely interesting article:

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LCXK-38X/fergus-mor-macerc-04...

(Scroll down, on the left, click "Story Highlight" if it does now show automatically. If Crinan descends from Fergus Mor, than this article is pertinent.

This website clearly states that he was a descendent of the Cenel Conaill.

https://thepatriciansagenealogicalresearchstudy.wordpress.com/2021/...

I'm going to email this gentleman and ask him how they know this:

Steven Wood Collins

Get in Touch
swoodcollins@gmail.com

My FTDNA Breakdown of DNA origins:

Europe 100%
Western Europe England, Wales, and Scotland 35%
Central Europe 31%
Ireland 8%
Scandinavia 3%
Eastern Europe West Slavic 24%

My Ancestry.com Breakdown of DNA origins:

Scotland 20%
England & Northwestern Europe 17%
Eastern Europe & Russia 13%
Baltics 10%
Germanic Europe 10%
Wales 10%
Ireland 10%
Sweden & Denmark 9%
Finland 1%

This is fascinating. I'm reading the English translation of the Lebor Gabala, and in it, it tells what languages were being taught at the tower of Nemrod (Tower of Babel), and who it was that came to Ireland that mastered those languages:

§11. Baath, [one of the two sons of Ibath] s. Gomer s. Iafeth, of him are the Gaedil and the people of Scythia. He had a son, the noble eminent man whose name was Feinus Farsaid. [It is he who was one of the seventy-two chieftains who went for the building of Nemrod's Tower, whence the languages were dispersed.] Howbeit, Nemrod himself was son of Cush s. Ham s. Noe. This is that Feinius aforesaid who brought the People's Speech from the Tower: and it is he who had the great school, learning the multiplicity of languages.

§12. Now Feinius had two sons: Nenual, [one of the two] whom he left in the princedom of Scythia behind him; Nel, the other son, at the Tower was he born. Now he was a master of all the languages; wherefore one came [to summon him] from pharao, in order to learn the multiplicity of languages from him. But Feinius came out of Asia to Scythia, whence he had gone for the building of the Tower; so that he died in the princedom of Scythia, at the end of forty years, and passed on the chieftainship to his son, Nenual.

§14. Now that is the time when Gaedel Glas, [from whom are the Gaedil] was born, of Scota d. Pharao. From her are the Scots named, ut dictum est

Feni are named from Feinius
a meaning without secretiveness:
Gaedil from comely Gaedel Glas,
Scots from Scota.

§15. It is Gaedel Glas who fashioned the Gaelic language out of the seventy-two languages: there are their names, Bithynian, Scythian, etc. Under poeta cecinit

The languages of the world, see for yourselves
Bithynia, Scythia, Cilicia, Hyreania,
Gothia, Graecia, Germania, Gallia with horror,
Pentapolis, Phrygia, Palmatia, Dardania.

Pamphylia, Mauretania, populous Lycaonia,
Bacctria, Creta, Corsica,
Cypros Thessalia, Cappadocia, noble Armenia,
Raetia, Sicilia, Saracen-land, Sardinia.

Belgia, Boeotia, Brittania, tuneful Rhodos,
Hispania, Roma, Rhegini, Phoenicia,
India, golden Arabia,
Mygdonia, Mazaca, Macedonia.

Parthia, Caria, Syria, Saxones,
Athenae, Achaia, Albania,
Hebraei, Arcadia, clear Galatia,
Troas, Thessalia, Cyclades.

Moesia, Media, Persida, Franci,
Cyrene, Lacedaemonia, Langobardi,
Thracia, Numidia, Hellas (?)
-- hear it! Lofty Italia, Ethipia, Egypt.

That is the tally of languages
without tarnish out of which Gaedel cut Gaedelic:
known to me is their roll of understanding,
the groups, the manifold languages.