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there is no Athanaric the II; there is an Alaric II, but no Athanaric.- SR

http://www.art-science.com/Ken/Genealogy/PD/ch43_Early_Goths.html

Re: Aoric Balt (abt 290 - 354), is the first reliably known Delaforce ancestor. He was the father of Athanaric II (abt 318 - 381), who lead the Visigoths out of Dacia (Romania) & into the Roman Empire in 376 as federates.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Athanaric

Athanaric (died Jan. 21, 381) was a Visigothic chieftain from 364 to 376 who fiercely persecuted the Christians in Dacia (approximately modern Romania). The persecutions occurred between 369 and 372; his most important victim was St. Sabas the Goth. In 376 Athanaric was defeated by the Huns. He fled with a few followers to Transylvania (region in present-day Romania), but the bulk of his people, led by Fritigern, fled to the Roman Empire. Athanaric, too, took refuge there but died at Constantinople a fortnight after his arrival.

So far as I can tell, he was Athanaric I (and only) - there was no Athanaric II:

Terving kings
These kings and leaders – with the exception of Fritigern and possibly Alavivus – were pagans.
Ariaric
Aoric
Athanaric (369–381)
Rothesteus, sub-king
Winguric, sub-king
Alavivus (c. 376), rebel against Valens
Fritigern (c. 376–c. 380), rebel against Athanaric and Valens
Balti dynasty
These kings were Arians (followers of the theological teaching of Arius). They tended to succeed their fathers or close relatives on the throne and thus constitute a dynasty, the Balti.
Alaric I (395–410)
Athaulf (410–415)
Sigeric (415)
Wallia (415–418)
Theodoric I (418–451)
Thorismund (451–453)
Theodoric II (453–466)
Euric (466–484)
Alaric II (484–507)
Gesalec (507–511)
Theodoric the Great (511–526), regent
Amalaric (511–531)
Post-Balti kings
The Visigothic monarchy took on a completely elective character with the fall of the Balti, but the monarchy remained Arian until Reccared I converted in 587 (Hermenegild had also converted earlier). Only a few sons succeeded their fathers to the throne in this period.
Theudis (531–548)
Theudigisel (548–549)
Agila I (549–554)
Athanagild (554–568)
Liuva I (568–572), only ruled in Narbonensis from 569
Liuvigild (569–586), ruled only south of the Pyrenees until 572
Hermenegild (580–585), sub-king in Baetica
Reccared I (580–601), son, sub-king in Narbonensis until 586, first Catholic king
Segga (586–587), rebel
Argimund (589–590), rebel
Liuva II (601–603), son
Witteric (603–610)
Gundemar (610–612)
Sisebut (612–621)
Reccared II (621), son
Swinthila (621–631)
Reccimer (626–631), son and associate
Sisenand (631–636)
Iudila (632–633), rebel
Chintila (636–640)
Tulga (640–641)

Funerary stele from Narbonne at the 7th-century beginning of the reign of Egica. The text begins with the Latin phrase requiescunt in pace. In various sources it is described as a "Christian inscription",[42] an "inscription relating to the Jews of France",[43] or as a Jewish inscription dated with the local calendar—the regnal year of Egica—rather than the Hebrew calendar.[44]
Chindaswinth (641–653)
Recceswinth (649–672), son, initially co-king
Froia (653), rebel
Wamba (672–680)
Hilderic (672), rebel
Paul (672–673), rebel
Erwig (680–687)
Egica (687–702)
Suniefred (693), rebel
Wittiza (694–710), son, initially co-king or sub-king in Gallaecia
Roderic (710–711), only in Lusitania and Carthaginiensis
Agila II (711–714), only in Tarraconensis and Narbonensis
Oppas (712), perhaps in opposition to Roderic and Agila II
Ardo (714–721), only in Narbonensis

If you have a source to substantiate the "II" please post it. Thank you - S Richards

Ah, I see your point. Your original post wasn't clear about what you wanted to indicate. I see nothing that would make this individual "II" or any other indication.

Understand as well.

Athanaric was the "first" King of the Visigoths as well, so also not certain what the II possibly refers to? Perhaps it was copied over from another site in error?

So we agree he was Athanaric I?

I will adjust his name.

He doesn’t have known children, according to Cawley’s Medlands;

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm#Alaricdied410

1. ATHANARIC (-Constantinople 381). The Chronica Regum Visigotthorum names “Atthanaricus” as first king of the Goths, adding that he reigned for 13 years[4]. The Chronicon of Bishop Idatius records that “Athanaricus rex Gothorum” died at Constantinople under Emperor Theodosius in 381, but that the Goths broke the peace in 382[5]. The Chronicon Albeldense names “Atanaricus” as first king of the Goths, that he was an Arian, ruled for 13 years, that the Goths were expelled “ab Ugnis…de terra propria” under his rule, and that he died at Constantinople under Emperor Theodosius[6].

[SUCCEEDED BY]

1. ALARIC (-Bruttium, southern Italy end 410). Alaric the Goth, king of the Visigoths

[SUCCEEDED BY] (Alaric’s brother in law)

He succeeded his brother-in-law in 410 as ATAULF King of the Visigoths: Ataulf, king of the Visigoths

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