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Rosalia Römer (Wind) - On the birth surname and parentage of Rosalia Römer

Started by Private User on Sunday, January 28, 2024
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(1) The marriage record of Rosalia and Hermann Römer says that Rosalia is the daughter of Moises Wind of Radenín and his wife Henriette. But while the profile of Veit Wind (Veit Moises Wind) includes the name "Moises," there is no record of him using that name after formally adopting the name "Veit" in 1787. This is one reason to doubt that Rosalia's father was Veit Wind.

(2) The only known wife of Veit Wind is named "Rösl": there is no record of her being called "Henriette" or anything like it. Further, Rösl was past the age of 50 by the time that Rosalia was born. So it is extremely unlikely that she was Rosalia's mother. If Veit Wind had a second wife, no record of such a wife has come to light.

(3) Veit Wind's *daughter* Henriette married Michael *Rind* and had children with him starting in 1815. If "Moises Wind" is an erroneous recording of "Michael Rind," then Rosalia could have been born to them in 1816 (the year of birth implied by the marriage record). But such a hypothesis, in addition to conflicting with the available data, has no positive support.

(4) The record of marriage of Fritz Römer with Julie Beck (Radenín, 16 Dec 1873) says quite clearly that Fritz is "Sohn des Herrman [sic] Römer und der Rosalia geb. Rind [n.b.] aus Radenin." Thus the record clearly implies that Rosalia Römer's birth surname was "Rind," not "Wind."

(5) Finally, there is a record of birth of a daughter Rosalia to Jonas and Judith Rind on 8 Jul 1818. This date of birth is within two years of the year of birth implied by the marriage record of Rosalia "Wind."

These considerations cumulatively make it overwhelmingly probable that the identification of the parents of Rosalia in her marriage record is erroneous and that is identical with Rosalia, the daughter of Jonas and Judith Rind.

When I posted the message of 28 Jan 2024 that begins this thread, there was one highly relevant fact of which I was ignorant, namely that a daughter named Rosalia was already attributed Jonas and Judith Rind, namely Rosalia Stein (1818–1877). The latter is clearly a distinct person from the Rosalia who married Hermann Römer. I believe her to be the "Rosalia" in the birth record that I mentioned in paragraph (5) of my message.

"Rosalia" being such a popular name in Czechia in this time period, and the records being so slack about women's names, it could certainly happen that the name "Rosalia" was, on one occasion or another, attributed to two sisters. But it is extremely unlikely that each of the two would appear *consistently* with just that name and no other, as is the case here. So the fact that Jonas and Judith Rind have an entirely distinct daughter named "Rosalia" argues strongly against the identification of the present Rosalia as their daughter.

Of the other four points in my former argument, all of them seem to me still correct and relevant, and all of them still seem to me to support, indeed collectively to dictate, the conclusion that the Rosalia who married Hermann Römer was named "Rind" and not "Wind." The question is: of which Rind male was she the daughter?

There was a hypothesis that I mentioned in my fourth paragraph, only to dismiss it as "conflicting with the available data" and "having no positive support," namely that the name "Moises Wind" in Rosalia's marriage record is an erroneous reference to Michael Rind whose wife, like the mother mentioned in the marriage record of Rosalia, was named "Henriette." The lack of positive support remains, but I would point out that the conflict of this hypothesis with the data is confined to the given name attributed to Rosalia's father—"Moises" instead of "Michael." This is a quite modest conflict.

The marriage of Michael Rind and Henriette Wind is recorded on 8 Feb 1814; the birth of their first child, Moses Rind (my twice-great-grandfather), on 18 Oct 1815; the next recorded birth of a child to them after that is that of Samuel Rind on 17 Nov 1818. The birth of a child between the marriage and the birth of Moses—say, in December of 1815—is physically possible, but just barely. A birth between Moses and Samuel is far more likely.

In any case, I have concluded that Rosalia must have been a daughter of Michael (erroneously called "Moises" in the marriage record) and Henriette Rind, and have changed the relations of the profile accordingly.

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