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Childéric I, King of the Franks - King Childeric & King Clovis Paths Redirected-- These are Unsourced Profiles

Started by Karen Jean Tanner, Penwright on Saturday, February 17, 2024
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Where did this Profile come from? It looks like a fake profile error, it is switching the lineages of these 2 lines.

It added an extra wife-

Clovis & Childeric are my GGFs

Someone has this line messed up, Clovis is my 45th GGF, this profile shows as his Mother, this profile manager has her as an Ex-Wife & Mother, Can we please locate this error.

Whoever changed this has disconnected my real lines to Clovis with THIS profile's errors.

Basina shows a my GGM, Clovis has always shown as my GGF until this Basina profile changed the path,

Let me quickly weigh in. I have Haplo E DNA which links to the ancient Yahya line on my Y chrom and Haplo E. I've been to 110 countries and located my Yahya cousin of Norman/ French background - Phillipe Stephany who is connected to the Kings of France/ Franks. The Haplo Rs cannot establish any demonstrable link to anyone beyond 500 years. Most of the Celtic records were destroyed in the 1922 fire. We have to allow DNA to pave the way. The keys into the past lie with black Jewish ancestry- my line which is mostly / all hap Es- like Einstein and the Wright Brothers/ Napolean the Emperor and all the Egyptian Kings ! Call me anytime if you have questions- my research is quite extensive. I manage 70 kits, with over 3 milllion records and a family tree over 611,000 with over 20,000 confirmed DNA matches and cross matches autosomal and Big Y . A good book to read is Dr Jeanson's book Traced where he confirms the humankind timeline of 6,000 years to a black Adam. The base haplo according to Harvard scholar Jeanson is haplo E- not A. His phylogenetic tree is correct and starts with E and not A. I went to NZ this summer and found an African tribal chief hap C. I went to the Outback in Australia- found 2 haplo S Aborigines whose DNA are very close to Haplo Rs who are from the Caucasus - not Europe I'm afraid. History needs to be re written and hope this is done sooner vs later. I have to do a 3rd PhD on subject - more people are listening and taking note of my work on behalf of black Jews and black people whose history has been lost/ distorted..

It´s too much clean up process making it all be impossible to understand why Childéric I Mérovingiens have 831 followers but no living decendants today, but logic state that almost all person with any root in Europe, would in fact be his decendants.

It has to stop. We cannot have the same demands as we have on modern church records as during this period, we must be able to weigh in what the experts say who have researched these people. The main problem is, that the people cutting lines, is not any experts at all, just ordinary people with at most, ordinary skills.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

Keep doing what you do,I would also like to know the truth and nothing but the truth. Sooner or later it always appears.

Private User you know as well as I do that genealogy have different requirements to what is provable than history does.

Historians can claim Childéric I has living descendants today with the logic you state. But genealogists need to prove every link between two persons with reliable sources, and a historian's claim that someone have to be related without showing the link is not a reliable source.

Ofcource we cannot have the same demands as we have on modern church records during this period, since those records doesn't exist. But we need to have the demands on the trustworthyness of the sources used. The main problem is not that Geni users are cutting lines back to people living at this time, but that Geni users are adding lines back to people living at this time without using trustworthy sources. This has to stop.

The truth will only appear by using trustworthy sources, which have to be as primary as possible.

Broadly speaking, I agree with you Remi Tryggve, we get a tree that is almost 100% verified if we only use reliable sources, but we also get a truncated tree if we exclude connections based on strong circumstantial evidence, which lack contemporaneous sources , but nevertheless are so strong that they are probably true. In my opinion such connections are better to have, they can usually be verified or denied with newer findings, hopefully, keeping them serves us better if they give us historical continuity, than if they are severed. This is also a reason why they are almost always reinstated. Just put a footnote in those profiles, "this profile lack sources", would often be quite enough.

I'm trying to figure out what is the issue here. Childéric I, King of the Franks and Basina II of the Thüringians haven't suddenly come from anywhere, Karen Jean Tanner, Penwright -they've been here for years?

m ([464]%29 as her second husband, BASINA, formerly wife of BASINUS King of Thuringia, daughter of ---. Gregory of Tours names Basina as wife of Basinus King of Thuringia, with whom King Childerich sought refuge after being deposed, Basina deserting her first husband to join Childerich after he was restored as king in Gaul[24]. The marriage date is estimated on the basis of how long Childerich was allegedly in exile, assuming that the date of his deposition is accurate, and appears to be consistent with the estimated dates of birth of the couple's descendants. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that "Childericus rex" committed adultery with "in Toringam…Basina regina uxorem Bisini regis" who abandoned her husband to join Childerich[25]. Assuming that Basina existed, it is unlikely that her first name is correct considering that it is the feminine form of her first husband's name. King Childerich & his wife had four children: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEROVINGIANS.htm#ClovisIB

I'm disconnecting the unsourced Andovera as his wife, pending provision of sources.

** You said----> I'm disconnecting the unsourced Andovera as his wife, pending provision of sources.

Oh that's good Sharon, best idea with that.

As far as Basina, I think she's connected to the wrong husband in the wrong generation-

I will have to look again...

Thanks so much-

CLODION-

FindaGrave--- LINK

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189703725/m%C3%A9rovech_of_the_...

I will send more links, I have many great photos & stories of Clodion --

CHILDERIC--- LINK

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/94481382/childeric_i_of_the_sal...

I can't believe you guys are saying they have no living descendants-

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21067/clovis_i

1. Basina II of the Thüringians 's husband - Primary / Secondary Sources:

  • Gregory of Tours names Basina as wife of Basinus King of Thuringia, with whom King Childerich sought refuge after being deposed, Basina deserting her first husband to join Childerich after he was restored as king in Gaul.
  • The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that "Childericus rex" committed adultery with "in Toringam…Basina regina uxorem Bisini regis" who abandoned her husband to join Childerich

2. There are no documented direct descent lines from Childéric I, King of the Franks - see Project: Testing for Fake Medieval and Ancient Lines https://www.geni.com/projects/Testing-for-Fake-Medieval-and-Ancient-Lines/48078.. Geni isn't the one saying this - historians are. For why, see Project: Descents from Antiquity https://www.geni.com/projects/Descents-from-Antiquity/12283. No direct descents to modern people means that the documentation for the line peters out before it gets to us.

3. Find a Grave isn't a primary or secondary source It’s a crowd-sourced website like Geni, whose data is only as good as the Sources it cites: . Please see Project: Working with Sources: https://www.geni.com/projects/Working-with-sources/18201 for how Sources are judged.

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