Jesus - Geni's FICTIONAL PROFILES PROJECTS

Hello Karen,

I am very glad that you are opening a discussion on what's real, and what is not, and I'd like to be the first to share my opinion on the matter.

First off, I believe in a God. Reason being.. is, everything you see around you that's alive. Ants, birds, reptiles... you name it. All of them are in reality, biological machines.

Now, with that being said, a machine is "designed" .. it can't just spring up into existence and start working. I don't think that's how that works. Therefore, it is my clear opinion and factual reality to me really, that all things in this universe that are alive, and not, are by design.

The stripes on a zebra.. the mane on a lion.. WHO designed all that?

I won't go into "what" our God is... perhaps it's an alien.. perhaps it's a multi-dimensional creature, we don't know.. although, I do think there is a "main" creator, and then there are creators such as ourselves that go out into the universe and create other life. It's not just one giant mystical being that creates us all.. I think it's a caste type system.

Moving on now, to the heart of the matter and that is... what religious figures in the Bible, are real... and which ones - aren't?

I can tell you this. My father studied religions in context his whole life... trying to understand his own pas probably. He told me, that Jesus .... "was a real man" .. and that he was a Palestinian man. I believe him. I believe Jesus was a real person and that he existed.

The others in the bible though... some of them... may not be. Moses.. probably real. Mary.. probably real... but was Abraham really real? ... don't know, but my limited knowledge of that time in history tells me that most.. I'd say at least 50% .. of the poeple in the Bible, were real people.

Thank you for listening and/or reading.

~ Mark Washington

I'm pretty sure and fairly certain that the bible lists the complete genealogy, lineage and family tree 🌳 of Jesus going back to King David and before as that is prophecy fulfilled from the Old Testament

Short answer: I think it is wrong on so many levels …

According to the Gospel of Luke, Jesus' paternal ancestry is made up of 75 ancestors who are connected to God.
If you add up a list of 75 ancestors before Jesus it would be equivalent to about 3,000 years. But the oldest civilizations have existed for more than 4,000 years before Jesus!
So, certainly, before Jesus there are many flaws in the genealogical records. And sure, many characters aren't supposed to be real; others, because they are well documented in the gospels, must be real. But to truly prove who is true or not, none of us can prove.

Jesus
Is not a Fictional profile or Person
We have accounts of his existence from the bible scrolls past from prophet to prophets from Disciple to Disciple till today we have the Roman Catholic Church has a symbol of his Existence.Jesus Disciples Moved all over the world to spread his World records of this are example Thomas reached India and opened the First Church preaching about Jesus.
Jesus Genelogy is real not fake or created .
Jesus lived amongst his People in Israel they know he really Existed.
There Archeological studies too proved that his existence is real and Accurate .
The real prof that Jesus was really too Even the Mighty Roman Empire themselves who wanted to delete his existence were Converted into Christianity and the then followed the whole of Europe .
Surely Jesus Christ is not fictional.
Thanks and regards
Silvestre Machado

Perhaps Geni should change the name to "Geni: We Go Back a Thousand Years and That's All. Religions Sacrificed to the New Digital Deities"

Shuel-

Thank you for your response. I am not ignoring the facts, you don't have my story, you don't know the information-

Many people told me yesterday that the profiles were being deemed fictional.

How this started, I had my links to Ishmael, Terah & Abraham, when I went to click them to work on them yesterday, they were blocked, the page said: "Isolated - Fictional".

I began asking everyone on various Discussion Boards what was going on. Many people replied telling me various reasons for that, one was that they were beginning to deem much of the bible as fiction. This was told to me.

I then began posting on various boards to start conversations to get information-

So, now you know my side of this controversy, now that you have my story of my concerns, you can now make whatever assessment you want of my discussions.

My complaint was that if Ishmael, Terah & Abraham were being deemed as fictional other characters should be too. Then, it was being said that they were only deeming paths incorrect, not the actual profiles, but, that is not what i saw-

So, now the story changes some from fictional to simply being the paths-

Isolating the trees is not the answer, it blocks all merged profiles that are not even in question, we cannot work on them, discuss them or share links to correct them if they are isolated and inaccessible.

Some profiles have people that can access them, that is Private, isolated to some, not all. that is how I understand this-

kjt

Shmuel,

Saying that all of the lines from Jesus to present are fake is a broad statement-

The Bible is one of the oldest documented literatures of genealogy-

We have online profiles created with much less reliable sources & info to go on to create the profiles.

Shmuel,

You said---->

1.. NONE of the biblical profiles are marked as "fictional". Not even Jesus.
2. The tree has BOTH of the genealogies of Jesus (back to King David) and dozens more early Christians.
3. The problem is with the lines FROM Jesus to present times. Every last one of them is fake.

As such this has ZERO to do with "religious suppression" or anything.

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I did not say Jesus was marked Fictional, i said people were telling me that Geni & other sites were beginning to do this- Why? I began to question what I saw yesterday.

You are incorrect, there were 3 Biblical people marked as "Fictional" when I clicked the links, again, I told you what I saw-

The page said, "Isolated- Fictional" Abraham, Terah & Ishmael- Now says "Isolated".

I have messages from others about Moses where they also say something similar about their pages & profiles, i have the messages.

You did not see what I did, so saying that none of them were ever deemed as such is just not true. Now you have my story-

I was asking people if they knew about it-

Shmuel,

You told me that your profiles & Moses was under research & had not yet been deemed as Fiction. This also prompted me to see if anyone else had the same ideas to do that-

I was reaching out to others for answers-

Mark Washington-

Thank you so much for your message-

Yes, it would be nice to have a Magic time Machine to look into the past to get the real truth...

The bible has more ancient genealogical info on earth, not even atheists should discredit it as a source of history. The archeologists, scholars & translators of the Bible are amazing-

Perhaps books left out hold key information as to the history of these people, that's where I would look.

I was told... through certain circles, that I come from Noah.

If that's true, and you removed Noah from existence, then you also remove ME from existence as well because I carry a fraction of his blood.

I'm telling you.. the story of Scota an her King husband Gaythelos, is real. It's not fiction, it's not just a story, it's real fact and my blood can answer that question. All you gotta do is compare me to King Tut directly because he was directly related to Scota.

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Sharon Doubell--

Thanks for all of the information. I have an understanding of your isolated trees, the projects of the Bible from Shmuel & his mystical, fictional explanations too. So, this was a learning experience about isolated information for me- I joined Shmuel's Board to follow his info-

This seems to be something new to isolate the bible characters since 2 weeks ago I was connected to Ishmael, Abrham & Terah. They decided to isolate all of that recently.

The big conflict & contradictions to this are that the supposed "Prophet Mohammad" seems to be up and running with supposed full genealogical profiles connected to Mohammad & present-day people claiming that they are direct descendants of Mohammad-

How can those people claim those profiles are proven but the ones to Ishmael, Abaraham & Terah are deemed unprovable- Makes no sense to me. The real obscurity about Mohammad having descendants are that he actually had no surviving biological children of his own. Imagine that.

I am no expert on Islamic genealogy, guess I need t do some more research to understand this-

Thank you so much-

Mark Washington-

Yes, Noah & the Arch, this is something to research, wonderful stories about years of archeology finds, amazing stories. That would be awesome to find any link to Noah-

I say this again,

The big conflict & contradictions to these biblical characters are that the supposed "Prophet Mohammad" seems to be up and running with supposed full genealogical profiles connected to Mohammad & present-day people claiming that they are direct descendants of Mohammad-

How can those people claim those profiles are proven but the ones to Ishmael, Abaraham & Terah are deemed unprovable- Makes no sense to me. The real obscurity about Mohammad having descendants are that he actually had no surviving biological children of his own.

Mohammad's story involves Jesus, so this is interesting and in the same era that Islam claims descendants that are in online profiles, but they deem other profiles as unproven-

Go figure.

Karen Jean Tanner, Penwright

Uthman (Muhammeds cousin) is credited with bringing unity to the current version of the Quran. Prior to Uthman's reign, the Qur’an did not formally exist as a fixed text, but was written in fragmentary form and as a spoken, recited work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uthman#Assessment_and_legacy
Caliph ʻUthmān Ibn ʻAffān

I'm going to agree with Karen... unless we have direct DNA evidence that these people existed, then all we have to go on are the stories and written record.

I "believe" written record when it's presented, I really do... but.. first of all, written record can be manipulated, altered, and even flat out just made up.

Even the Irish Gabala was written in the 12th or 14th century... but the stories contained in it go back to the year of Akhenaten's death.

The other thing is this... DNA has been "privatized".. I was denied access to George Washington's DNA by the FBI directly. I requested it from the Quantico Field office in the 90's when the DAR had done a sample of his DNA from what I think was a tooth extraction.

Point being... nobody wants to share information. Unless I go out, dig up Scota's or whoever's grave, do and do a DNA test, I'm not truly going to know, and unless we find the bodies of the ancient people, and do a test... how are we gonna know??

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I mean, when the gov. won't even share access to the direct relatives of the father of this country... I consider that a problem :/ If I didn't carry the gene, I wouldn't even ask.... that's what's up.

I'll quote Jerry McGuire here "SHOW ME THE MONEY (DNA)". : )

Washington is my 23rd cousin thrice removed. Guess, that is you Mark, but what do I know, you have no parents added to your profile.

According to DNA, I have a common forefather 2000 years ago with Robert E. Lee,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee but here on Geni he is just a distant cousin, it would need a lot of N.N. profiles to connect me and him by a DNA path, but even without actually names, it would be true.

Anyway, if they do dig up the skeletons of ancient famous people, they also ought to do a DNA test and release the findings, just as they did with Birger Jarl,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birger_Jarl
and also with Richard III of England,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_III_of_England#Discovery_of_r...

Ulf Martinsson--

That's right, as the bible records are too, scrolls etc... those translators & archeologists really did amazing work if you think about it-

Sharon-

I said basically, I never ever thought or imagined that the Bible is like Greek Mythology.

I am not exactly a practicing Christian either, I do believe much of Christianly & think it is a great basis for a good lifestyle.

I believe in God & Jesus & pray daily, but like many branches of Christianity, I believe my own things. Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, they all claim to be Christians but believe differently- That somewhat describes my faith-

I don't profess to be a Christian; I am a non-denominational.

To Ulf Martinsson:

Ulf, tell the guy who is in charge of my profile "Scott E. Hartmann", to relinquish my old profile. I merged it, but my tree was on my old profile. It was extensive, and now I do not have access to it because he's the primary on the account.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THIS GUY IS AND HE'S HANDLING MY PROFILE. I've asked someone who he is, and they haven't responded.

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I am with Karen. I am FOR the truth. Who is fictional, and who isn't.

Was history completely made up?

Probably......

My old man is a very cynical man... he told me everything I've been told about history -is a lie- .

Do I believe him.... Yes.

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