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https://www.geni.com/people/James-Rice/6000000001852878569 (James Franklin Rice b. 1811 in Nova Scotia )- Haplo I or E ?

Started by Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister on Thursday, March 28, 2024
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Trying to find another case for Mike the Manager on Geni where a blood connection has been cut off and here it is. I have many records on Rice and a Big Y match and STR yfull match with the above name James Franklin Rice b 1811. I have a ton of NS cousins as well who are Macdonalds. My records indicate this man was Haplo E and not I.

I only have an inlaw match but i lost my blood match via Macdonald/ Savage/ Brereton / Venables / Cotton / Belgrave / Frost / Rice - since the curators connected haplo I to the record- the blood record was dropped/ removed from Geni. Luckily I took a photo of the match before the curators changed the record.

You
→ Dr Wilton George McDonald, Sr
your father → William Edward McDonald, Jr.
his father → Daniel (Abr) (assumed brother of William Jr) McDonald
his father → William Macdonald
his father → James (Roderick) McDonald
his brother → Elizabeth Elizabeth Mulvina Miles
his daughter → James Bostick McDonald
her father → Mary Ann McDonald
his mother → James Bostick, Jr.
her brother → Elizabeth Pogue
his daughter → Ann Mariah Pogue
her daughter → George Carleton
her husband → Ambrose Carleton
his father → Mary Laxton
his sister → Louise Barlow
her daughter → Joseph Barlow, III
her husband → Elizabeth Lucinda "Betsy" Kendall
his mother → Sarah Sallie Shearer
her sister → Lois Whitman
her daughter → Israel Rice
her husband → James Franklin Rice
his brother

The Rice Pudding is burnt. Nobody wants any more discussion of wild theories about any more Rices, after we endured ten years of increasingly bizarre nonsense from a user who claimed to be descended from a Lost Tudor Prince (and wouldn't accept any evidence to the contrary, and kept going farther and farther off the rails in pursuit of his fantasy).

He finally realized nobody else was interested any more, and shut up.

No no Maven do not say that as i have not been afforded a chance to weigh in - nothing is burnt. I have always had haplo E Rice's cutting across the Macdonald - haplo E / SAVAGE - haplo E - Sinclairs - haplo E - / Berkeley- also Haplo E lines so from my side these connections are legit and dont assume all these folk living in Tudor Age were all white and haplo R / Hs. Please dont be like Peter and try to assume anything based on 1 narrow set of records.

This is what i was telling Mike - the admin where my blood lines are oftentimes messed up and interfered with - records shit to my mom a full indian with zero Celtic blood when my dad is the 20pct plus Celt. We need these lines to be opened up - perhaps a senior body like My Heritage needs to weigh in or a Federal Court as i cannot have my lines blurred because of supposition and 1 set of narrow records when i have a growing mountain of sources declaring E connectivity to Tudor England. Just read John Mackay- Memoirs of the Secret Services of John Mackay - pretty much all of Tudor Age England was BLACK- just 1 of many sources.

i am struggling to understand your post at https://www.geni.com/discussions/277473?msg=1692100, but we’ll unpack it slowly, if that’s OK.

I found James Franklin Rice he’s the 4th great grandson of a well known early settler in Massachusetts, Deacon Edmund Rice

We know the general geographic area in England he was from, but not specifics, as yet. The record trail is difficult as one gets into the 1500s in England.

But the genetic trail is well established. There’s a prestigious and active family association which has sponsored DNA studies as well as genealogy studies.

http://www.edmund-rice.org/

What is your question about this line? (Rice, specifically)

Here’s their Y DNA project page, which does mention other Rice lines.

http://www.edmund-rice.org/haplotype.htm

I’ve found most of the path you described https://www.geni.com/discussions/277473?msg=1692100

James Bostick, Jr. is James Franklin Rice's sister-in-law's first cousin's wife's first cousin's wife's grandfather.

https://www.geni.com/path/James-Rice+is+related+to+James-Bostick-Jr?from=6000000001852878569&path_type=inlaw&to=6000000003119344943

I’m not so far seeing James Bostick McDonald, but there’s a Donald Mcdonald, Lt. with no DNA attached.

Donald Mcdonald, Lt. is James Franklin Rice's 14th cousin.

Donald Mcdonald, Lt. is James Franklin Rice's sister-in-law's first cousin's wife's first cousin's wife's great grandfather.

I also see Elizabeth Miles in Jamaica.

And there’s been a bad merge.

Elizabeth Elizabeth Mulvina (McDonald) Miles
Gender: Female
Birth: circa 1849
Saint Elizabeth, Jamaica
Death: circa 1938 (80-97)
Springfield, Saint Elizabeth, Jamaica
Immediate Family:
Daughter of James Bostick McDonald; James (Roderick) McDonald and Sarah Ann Swan (Carson) McDonald
Wife of Thomas Kirlew Miles

She can’t be both the daughter of James Bostick MacDonald (from Richmond, North Carolina)

And James McDonald (from Hanover, Cornwall, Jamaica)

So hang on, I will undo the wrong merges for you.

It looks like several bad merges.

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=80690226570

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=80690226260

So here we go, your line should be:

Jane Elizabeth Mulvina Kirlew daughter of James McDonald

Is that correct?

Erica thanks. The Jane Mulvina line extends to South Africa and is an alternate in law path which i can accept. Non core but can live with it .

What i cannot accept is my mom's connection when she has zero and i mean zero Celtic blood as a full East Indian

James Franklin Rice is your aunt's ex-husband's first cousin 6 times removed's wife's sister's husband's sister's husband's niece's husband's brother.
You
→ Cereta McDonald
your mother → Carmetha James
her sister → Gilbert James
her ex-husband → Elridge Vivian James
his father → John Bunyan James
his father → John J. James
his father → Cyrenius Waite James
his father → Rev. Joseph James
his father → Clara James
his mother → Martin Nalle, II
her father → Winifred Dillard
his sister → Col. Thomas Dillard, Jr., MD
her son → Martha Dillard
his wife → Lucinda Dula
her sister → Thomas Dula, Jr.
her husband → Mary Polly Kendall
his sister → James Benjamin Kendall
her husband → Sarah Sallie Shearer
his sister → Lois Whitman
her daughter → Israel Rice
her husband → James Franklin Rice
his brother

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister - do you know how to use pushpins on geni?

https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229703047-How-To-Find-Other...

Then you can “share this link” to give an HTML enabled trail to “walk.”

It’s very difficult and time consuming to troubleshoot bad merges or unmerged duplicate without using that tool. So I hope you can learn to employ it, so we may assist you in cleaning up geni tree errors.

This has nothing to do with DNA.

Are you asking for a troubleshoot on your mother’s connection? I presume it’s all by marriages, so of course there’s no blood or DNA connection.

I also suspect there’s a tree error between the New England > Canada line and the Alabama line, but I have to look at the links in that area.

Will, it was you who merged Jane Elizabeth Mulvina Kirlew born in Jamaica with Elizabeth Ann McDonald born in South Africa. Why?

This is a fictitious descent profile James (Roderick) McDonald that you've created without any sources in order to connect yourself back to the line you want: Geni doesn't allow profiles that on the one world collaborative tree. You need to build your own tree if you want to do that.

So the guy who's been screaming about genealogical fraud...commits genealogical fraud himself?

Typical.

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=80690226570

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister you are explicitly not allowed to deliberately create fake profiles on a collaborative tree:
James (V) McDonald - DNA1 matched (EM2)
John "Angus" VI Macdonald (DNA1 matched)- to Kate Cote- (KC) relative
Ann Thomson

This is dishonest and deceitful.

Re: ... my mom a full indian with zero Celtic blood

Are you certain on this point?

Sharon and Maven just stop it. Fraud? Are you kidding me? I obtained the records from Ancestry and My Heritage. I did not create any records out of thin air. How dare you accuse me of fraud. I am an officer of the court in 7 countries and each country has a different penalty for smearing an officer's name. If you do this again - i shall take legal action. I did NOT create any records - i gleaned from other sites and consolidated in my tree on My Heritage which owns GENI.

I'm reporting you both to Mike - this is a crime . Again you forget i am an officer of the court in 7 countries.

You had added no records to those profiles at all.

And I've seen too many times in the past when you use your own tree on the one site as a source for your tree on the other site. This is not how records work. I shouldn't be having to tell a lawyer that.

I'd be interested to know what the penalty for slandering other people's names is for an officer of the court in those 7 countries. In my conuntry tort law doesn't allow you to make frivolous legal suits, or to use your position to continuously threaten people with them. I'm presuming it's the same in Jamaica.

Sharon i have nothing more to say to you. Stop harrassing me - that's another crime. Please find another person to help on Geni and leave my profiles alone. I work across all sites and piggy back on the work of others as was in the case of the 2 profiles you mentioned who were Macdonalds. These persons i was introduced to on other DNA sites. I have access to 10 different databases but i can assure you i did not pluck the names out of thin air and these people are not in my family album either. Again quit harrassing me please.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

Going back to your posting at https://www.geni.com/discussions/277473?msg=169210

This connection was wrong

his mother → Sarah Sallie Shearer
her sister → Lois Whitman

Sarah ‘Sallie’ Shearer (of Virginia) had been conflated with Sarah Whitman (of Massachusetts) back in 2010 by an automated merge process.

From the revisions tab of Sarah ‘Sallie’ Shearer#/tab/revision

Daniel Whitman was connected to Sarah (Kendall) Kendell as her husband with a child Daniel Whitman.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Robert Findlay Shearer was connected to Sarah Kendall as her husband with children John Shearer, Nancy Shearer, Mary Shearer, William Shearer and 6 others.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Daniel Whitman was connected to Sarah Kendal as her husband with children Daniel Whitman, Sarah Whitman, Isaac Whitman, Mercy Whitman and 7 others.
Dec 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

I detached Sarah Kendall (of Virginia) from Daniel Whitman and luckily found another copy of Sarah Whitman to work with.

In a moment I’ll give you updated relationship paths, but be forwarded: I have not yet climbed “up” the Virginia tree to check its accuracy.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister - can I just say it’s discomforting to work when “legal action” is mentioned every other post? We have plenty of lawyers who are members of geni, and I’ve only seen it from you. So I’d much appreciate if we can just drop that, and continue cordially.

My thanks in advance.

You are not being harassed. You created this situation yourself. You have harassed, threatened and insulted numbers of people on this and other sites in order to shut down their right of reply to assertions you make and refuse to prove.

Only the latest was the deeply insulting assertion that the slave trade - one of most heinous events in world history - didn't happen.

I repeat what I've said to you for years, and others have been saying to you over and over for days now. Genealogy is documentation. It's been coming on the boat or in one or another way since I spent the time to document your tree for you more than two years ago. Without it, you cannot fabricate facts to suit your purposes.

James Franklin Rice is Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister's aunt's ex-husband's third cousin thrice removed's husband's third cousin once removed.

https://www.geni.com/path/Dr-Wilton-McDonald-II-Attorney-Barrister+is+related+to+James-Rice?from=6000000001044001090&path_type=inlaw&to=6000000001852878569

You have unmerged duplicates at Elridge Vivian James and down to you, I can’t be sure of anything with those in the way. I’m going to go ahead and merge, with en expectation I will undo merges on request, OK? They are easiest identified from the revisions tab.

I’m concerned to see how a New England > Canada > Jamaica linkage happens.

In terms of the New England Rice tree, it is I Haplogroup and variants. We have at least three Y DNA linkages and the project mentioned above.

Bad merges to undo

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=79533163900
Merged January 23, 2021 at 5:31 PM by Dr Will Jr

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=79533161010

Bad merge to undo?

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=79532922450
Merged January 23, 2021 at 4:24 PM by Dr Will Jr

https://www.geni.com/merge/view?revision_id=79257858510
Merged November 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM by Dr Will Jr

Unless Private is the same person as John Joseph James ?

If so, please remerge. I have no information to guide me.

Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

I believe I’ve correctly separated John Joseph James from the Texas tree and also from another Jamaican tree. But I do not know how to reconcile that John Joseph James (b 1841) has a son John James also born in 1841. The “son” married Lena James

I expect you’ll be able to sort that. If you cannot & need curator assistance, we have the “curator please assist” discussion at https://www.geni.com/discussions/272643

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