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Gille Adomnan Siol-Cuinn - Gillledadamnáin, of the Isles- Fergus

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The boundaries of the Kingdom of Galloway were ill-defined, and varied over time. During many periods Galloway was much larger than it is today, and took in parts of southern Ayrshire, such as Carrick, Upper Douglasdale and Nithsdale. The area appears to have been the main bastion of Scottish Gaelic culture south of the Highlands in the Middle Ages.
Kingdom of Galloway

Suibne mac Cináeda (d.1034) is the first recorded king of the Gall-ghàidhil, the people of Galloway, although it is not until about 1138 that the succession is properly recorded. The Dynasty of Fergus appears to have continued until 1234 and the Laws of Galloway remained in force until 1426. It is thought that these laws originally derived their authority from the kings of Galloway.
Contrary to some popular conceptions, there is no evidence that Galloway was ever part of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. It does not logically follow from that that Galloway (west of the Nith at least) lay outside the traditional area claimed by the Kingdom of Alba, Strathclyde's successor state in the area. Galloway, often defined as all of the area to the south and west of the Clyde and west of the River Annan, acknowledged the kings of Scotland as Ard Rí or over-king when politic. The year before his death, Fergus resigned Galloway into the hands of King Mael Coluim iv of Scotland. Though it formed part of the northern mainland of Britain, Galloway was just as much a part of the Irish Sea; part of that Hiberno-Norse world of the Gall-Gaidhel lords of the Isle of Man, Dublin and the Hebrides. The ex-King of Dublin and Man, Echmarcach mac Ragnaill, had the title Rex Innarenn (possibly "King of the Rhinns") attributed to him on his death in 1065. The western sections of Galloway had been firmly aligned with the Isle of Man, and Norse and Gaelic-Norse settlement names from the 10th and 11th centuries are spread all along the coastal lands of south-western "Scotland" and north-western "England".
Magnus III
In the late 11th century, the Norwegian King Magnus III Berrføtt ("Barefoot") led a campaign of subjugation in the Irish Sea area. In 1097, he sent his vassal, Ingimundr, to take control of the Kingdom of the Isles. However, when this man was killed, Magnus himself launched the first of his two invasions, the campaigns of 1098-1099 and of 1102-1103. In the former campaign, he took control of the Western Isles of Scotland, and deposed King Lagmann of Man. (Incidentally, this campaign also brought him to Wales, where he killed the Earl of Chester and the Earl of Shrewsbury, who were at war with the Prince of Gwynedd.) In this campaign, Magnus almost certainly brought Galloway under his suzerainty too. Magnus, moreover, gained the recognition of these conquests from the then-king of Alba, Etgair mac Maíl Coluim.
On his second campaign, Magnus went to Man, and with a huge fleet attacked Dublin and attempted to force the submission of Muircertach mac Toirrdelbach, the Uí Briain King of Munster. The campaign resulted in an alliance between the two kings, and the arranged marriage of Magnus' son Siguðr to Muircertach's daughter Bjaðmunjo. The alliance mitigated the threat of Domnall Ua Lochlainn, King of Ailech, bringing stability to the Irish Sea world, and security to Magnus' new Irish Sea "Empire." However, it all went wrong when Magnus was killed on his way back to Norway on a minor raid in Ulster. Much of Magnus' work lay in ruins.
Fergusan Dynasty

Divisions within the Lordship of Galloway (coloured green) and surrounding lordships in the twelfth century. The Diocese of Whithorn encompassed all Gallovidan regions except Desnes Ioan, which fell under the Scottish Diocese of Glasgow, and appears to have been only incorporated into the lordship during the tenure of Fergus' sons.
Fergus of Galloway took the throne of Galloway some time between 1110 and 1120. When he died in 1161 the year after taking canonical habit in Holyrood, according to the Chronicle of Holyrood, and resigning Galloway to Scotland’s King Mael Coluim iv, Galloway was left to his two sons, Uchtred and Gille Brigte (Gilbert). In 1174 Uchtred died after being brutally blinded and mutilated by his brother Gille Brigte and Gille Brigte's son, Máel Coluim (Malcolm). When Gilla Brigte died a few years later, in a meeting between the kings of Scotland and England and the two sons of Uchtred and Gille Brigte, it was agreed that Uchtred's son Lochlann (Roland) would take possession of the southern part of Galloway. Gilla Brigte's surviving son Donnchad (Duncan) was given the northern part, being made 1st Earl/Mormaer of Carrick.
Lochlann married Helen, the daughter of Richard de Moreville, Constable of Scotland, and inherited his father-in-law's title. Their son Alan of Galloway was the most powerful of the lords and upon his death in 1234, his holdings were divided between his three daughters and their husbands. However, an attempt was made, within Galloway, to establish Alan's illegitimate son Thomas as ruler, but this failed when King Alexander II of Scotland broke the line of rejected such claim for an illegitimate son to take over. In response, Gille Ruadh led a revolt against Alexander. The attempt failed resulting in Galloway being divided amongst Alan's three living daughters who were married to Anglo-Normans, Roger de Quincy (married to Ela), John de Balliol (married to Derborgaill) and William de Forz (married to Cairistiona). Galloway's period as an independent political entity eventually came to an end with John de Balliol delegated as Lord.
Douglas Lords
In 1369, Archibald the Grim had been appointed Lord of Galloway by David II of Scotland, "becaus he tuke git trawell to purge the cuntrey of Englis blude". Later he would construct his mighty fortress of Thrieve, near present-day Castle Douglas.
* Archibald Douglas, Lord of Galloway
* Archibald Douglas Lord of Galloway
* Archibald Douglas, Lord of Galloway
* Margaret Douglas, Fair Maid of Galloway
List of Lords of Galloway

More information Rulers, French name ...
Rulers French name Reigns
?Suibne --- d. 1034
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?Echmarcach --- d. 1065
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Fergus --- d. 1161
Uchtred --- 1161–1174
Gille Brigte Gilbert 1174–1185
Lochlann Roland 1185–1200
Alan --- 1200–1234
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* [N 1]
The Gallovidian regions are the Rhinns, Farines, the Glenkens, Desnesmor, and Desnes Ioan.

References

* [1]
Scott, JG (1997) pp. 13a fig. 1, 23 fig. 5; Oram, RD (1991) p. 118 fig. 8.1; Barrow (1980) p. 51.
* The Arms of the Realm and Ancient Local Principalities of Scotland, Bartholomew 1983. ISBN 0-7028-1709-0
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Given the time-stamp almost 1,000 years ago these ancients in Scotland would be Haplo E. Donald have you seen the Russian Icons publication? Have you read Ben Franklin's 1751 essay? Much of our history or what we embrace of history is changing. Just 1 year ago the whole world thought Jesus was white but after the oldest vault's in the orthodox churches in Russia were opened and 50.000 plus black Icons were found- this caused a wave of other private persons sharing their own black icons held in very private collections all over the world- to be donated to the new museum in Russia. A good start to address the gaps in research and history.

I also have some notes from a very senior Scottish administrator at a major DNA company who has expressed serious doubts about the haplo R connectivity to Somerled and Scotland. Based on my own DNA research- the Rs have come over from the Caucasus like my wife's family based in Poland and Ukraine. They are all Rs and Hs and i manage their DNA kits along with 70 others. I have over 3 million records and my primary tree on MH is pushing north of 620,000 members. I'm a proud Yahya and black Hebrew- Haplo E- EFT405608 subclade dated around 900 years vs the 50.000 years they try to assign to Es which according to Harvard PhD and scholar Dr. Jeanson- the Es are the first haplo of the world based on a 6024 year timeline.

There is a video which supposedly shows Putin talking about the opening of an ancient vault and the discovery of black icons, and that video has been showing up in many places, but several fact-checking sites say that the translation of the Russian is false — Putin is talking about the Russian army and the country’s unification; and the black icons that show in the video are not newly discovered, and are also not ancient, being post-Byzantine.

Here’s one of those sites: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34MR8PW#:~:text=Users%20in%20....

I think it needs pointing out that "post-Byzantine" refers to the continuance of Byzantine art traditions (including icon traditions) after the fall of Byzantium to the Turks in 1453. So these works are late 15th century at earliest, and may be even later (the video mentioned on factcheck.afp.com assigns it to the 17th century).

The available image reproduction is so poor that it isn't really "proof" of anything.

Donald, I want to respect your original post and intent re: Gille Adomnan Siol-Cuinn instead of getting into an off-topic discussion. Did you have a specific question about the profile, or were you just looking to share the info you found?


Anne, the MP has citations for the LDS PAF and PRF. We typically don't use those as valid references on more recent profiles, but I don't want to remove them here if they're useful in your area. Thoughts?

ACCORDING TO RUSSIAN SITE- THESE 11TH CENTURY AND EARLIER RUSSIAN ICONS ARE AUTHENTIC.

http://www.iconrussia.ru/eng/icon/detail.php?ID=1853

Wilton, those icons of Peter and Paul per their image info, not Gille Adomnan Siol-Cuinn. Starting a separate thread to discuss the icons in relation to Peter and Paul would be appropriate.

Those aren't the same icons you were waving about earlier. And they don't prove anything one way or the other about Gille Adomnan. Scotland is not Russia. Russia is not Scotland.

Private User— ooooooh, can we just take that stuff out? Frabjous day!

I find them completely non-useful in the early profiles, too.

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