Peter I the Just, King of Portugal - Peter I the Just, King of Portugal is your third cousin 21 times removed.

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Antonio M.d'A Rocha Gonsalves

Peter I the Just, King of Portugal
is my 3rd cousin 20 times removed.

Peter I the Just, King of Portugal is your 7th cousin 17 times removed.

My iberian GGF- and he of course was melenated. See my separate discussion on black history sources.

Oh, come off it. Almost *everyone* is at least somewhat "melenated" (has at least some melanin), oddities like Johnny and Edgar Winter (albino rock-musician brothers) aside. There's nothing special or holy about the details.

Since there is general agreement that the human race as such originated in Africa, a point could be made that we're *all* "Black" to some infinitesimal degree or other, but that's stretching it way beyond the maddest imaginings of the most rabid white supremacists (the fanatics who came up with the whole "One Drop" mania in the first place).

Black History has its place, but when it turns into aggressive appropriation of everyone else's history, that's too much. If it's bad when "white people" do it, it's just as bad when others do it in reverse. Goose, gander, sauce.

Private User this account keeps spamming inappropriate content injecting Afrocentric conspiracy theories everywhere at Geni: Dr. Wilton McDonald II - Attorney & Barrister

Woah woah.. Hang on guys. We have to define what Afrocentric is before you condem it. This is the definition I have for it:

This isnt a bad thing I dont think:

"Afrocentric" is an adjective describing a worldview or perspective that centers on African culture and its contributions to the world. It emphasizes the importance of African heritage, values, and history, often in contrast to Eurocentric perspectives which have historically dominated global narratives. The Afrocentric approach seeks to reframe historical and cultural analysis to highlight the significance and impact of African peoples and their descendants.

So.. Wiltons "assertion" that the McDonald line was of dark skin... Is an entertaining and eye opening possibility that I would like to see proven.. If possible.

I say, let Wilton interject.. Ans time will either prove him wrong.. Or right.. Because this is his personal journey.

I dont know for sure.. If black people turned into white people over time.. Or vice versa.. But if someone believes it.. I say let them prove it. We cant get stirred up by "anyones" personal beliefs. I sis respect Mavens answer though.. Shes a realist.. And I appreciate that.

Wilton.. Next best piece of evidence you find on the matter, Id like to see it please. Thank you.

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Tired of the spamming falsehoods. Just because the ceackpot believes his own propaganda, doesn't mean Geni has to host it. He can make his own blog elsewhere. This is not a political activism forum.

Jeffery, it's totally bogus. He got it out of a crackpot book that deliberately and radically misinterprets *everything* about Scottish and British history. It all starts with the myopic and closed-minded ASS-umption that Scots Gaelic "Dubh" means and can ONLY mean "African Black", forces a false equivalence between "Dubh" and Latin "Niger", and freewheels downhill to total insanity from there.

In a number of later cases, we actually *do* have portraits "from the life" of the allegedly "Black" rulers, sometimes at several ages, and - they are not and never were anything *we* would call "Black". Not Henry VII, not Henry VIII, not Mary I, not Elizabeth I (who wore white-paste makeup in old age to make her look *younger*, not "whiter"), and not James VI/I.

Dublin and Dubhgall didn't make Negroid Vikings either. As Shakespeare said: "A rose, by any other name..."

I can understand that... sorry to impose. I just wanted to post the definition of Afrocentric out there because if recognition needs to be given to outstanding Africans.. then by all means, Afrocentricity is one of my main American Forte's...

So, yah.. I get the spamming the falsehoods thing, but ... what if he's right? Has anyone ever contemplated what that would mean? .. I have no idea. Wilton and I come from the same McDonald clan so me and him should be dukin' it out in the right now over this but we're not.. because I'm intrigued by the possibility. LOL .. Sorry, I'm just a very curious guy these days, when it comes to ancient mysteries :)

I forgot to post this too, sorry.. I just found this out today. Crazy.

Peter I the Just, King of Portugal is your 21st great uncle.

You → Floyd Lee Washington, Jr (your father) → Floyd Lee Washington, Sr. (his father) → Prince Edward Washington, Sr. (his father) → Pvt. Prince William Washington (his father) → Francis Augustine Washington, Sr. (his father) → Capt. Samuel T. Washington (his father) → Col. Charles Washington (his father) → Augustine Washington, Sr. (his father) → Mildred Gale (his mother) → Colonel Augustine Warner, II (her father) → Colonel Augustine Warner (his father) → Elizabeth Warner (his mother) → Ann Southerton (her mother) → Ursula Peck (her mother) → Ele Guybon (her mother) → Sir John Awdeley, Kt., of Swaffham Market (her father) → Sir Humphrey Audley, Kt. (his father) → Eleanor Tuchet (his mother) → Constance, Countess of Gloucester (her mother) → Isabella of Castile, Duchess consort of York (her mother) → Pedro I el Cruel, rey de Castilla y León (her father) → María de Portugal, reina consorte de Castilla y León (his mother) → Peter I the Just, King of Portugal (her brother)

There's a very real difference between Afrocentrism (focusing on African history and achievements) and Black Supremacism. Wilton is a Black Supremacist - and they are every bit as bad as White Supremacists.

What's more, he *isn't* focusing on African history and African achievements (notice he never mentions the Mali Empire, Mansa Musa, Great Zimbabwe, nor even Shaka Zulu!). Instead he is arrogating *European* history to his warped perceptions, *denying* any cultural achievements by anyone he can't (falsely) identify as "Black", and denigrating Euro peoples at every possible opportunity.

That isn't scholarship, it's just race prejudice turned upside down and inside out.

As far as I know, Portugal is currently a "democracy" of the European type, with an elected President and Prime Minister and legislature and all that. They tossed out the last king in 1910, but soon fell into dictatorship and only got rid of the dictators in 1974. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal

Ok, .. I see what's going on now. I had to go back to my emails from 2020 to get this information.

There is a possibility.. and I'm not certain about this.. but if his DNA does match the McDonalds, the proximity where the McDonald house in Jamaica where his great grandfather lived and grew up makes me think that there was some sort of illegitimate child involved. Not sure here...

I mean, he did match me as a distant cousin on the calculator so.. that's what made me curious as well. If he's matching up with me as a cousin.. then.. dude came from a white past right? I don't know.. I'm confused as to how he's related to me in the first place if what you're saying is true.

smh (in confusion) lol

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WOW.. thank you for that info.. 1910.. got it.

Un-freakin' believable.... the last King of Portugal..

Ridiculous... he even looks like us... smh

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

Manuel II, Rei de Portugal is your 16th cousin once removed.

You → Floyd Lee Washington, Jr (your father) → Floyd Lee Washington, Sr. (his father) → Prince Edward Washington, Sr. (his father) → Pvt. Prince William Washington (his father) → Francis Augustine Washington, Sr. (his father) → Capt. Samuel T. Washington (his father) → Mildred Washington (his mother) → Col. Francis Thornton, of Fall Hill (her father) → Col. Francis Thornton, Jr. (his father) → Alice Thornton (his mother) → Capt. Anthony Savage (her father) → Ralph Savage (his father) → Walter Savage, Esq., of Elmley (his father) → Francis Savage, Esq., of Elmley (his father) → Christopher Savage, Esq. (his father) → Sir Christopher Savage, of Chipping Campden (his father) → Margaret Trafford (his sister) → Alice Leigh (her daughter) → Sir Thomas Leigh, Lord Mayor of London (her son) → Alice Coney (his daughter) → Susan Sutton (her daughter) → Susan Oglethrope (her daughter) → Sutton Oglethrope (her son) → Sir Theophilus Oglethorpe (his son) → Eleanor Oglethorpe de Mezieres (his daughter) → Catherine Eléonore Eugénie de Bethisy de Mesieres (her daughter) → Louise Julie Constance de Rohan-Guéméné, (her daughter) → Princesse Marie Therese Josephine di Savoia Carignano (her daughter) → Carlo Emanuele Savoia di Carignano (her son) → Maria Elisabeth Francesca Elisabetta Carlotta Giuseppina di Savoia-Carignano, Erzherzogin von Österreich, viceré del Lombardo-Veneto (his daughter) → Maria Adelaide of Austria, Queen of Sardinia (her daughter) → Maria Pia of Savoy, Queen consort of Portugal (her daughter) → Carlos I, Rei de Portugal (her son) → Manuel II, Rei de Portugal (his son)

Wilton's Y-DNA (he is *only* interested in Y-DNA, disregarding mtDNA, X-DNA and autosomal DNA) matches *a few* other persons with the surname "McDonald" or "MacDonald". But those other persons *do not* belong to the lines of Clan Chiefs that can be traced back to Somerled, and must have acquired the surname in some other way - maybe by swearing fealty *to* the Clan Chief to obtain his protection, which was rather common actually.

The thing about Y-DNA (I can't believe I have to keep repeating this every so often!) is that it can *only* be passed down in the direct male line, father to son to grandson etc. *Anything* that interrupts this transmission (like a generation with nothing but daughters) breaks the line.

If *your* Y-DNA (that's generic "you", nobody in particular referenced) doesn't match the tested/triangulated Y-DNA of a purported ancestor, whoopsie! Somebody wasn't the baby daddy. But without *a lot* more information, you can't even begin to guess approximately when and approximately who (to say nothing of why - there are a whole cartload of possible reasons, and only *some* of them have to do with hanky-panky).

Is the calculator Gedmatch? Or something here, like a papertrail path?

If it is Gedmatch, there is at least one obvious reason why you could share DNA: Wilton's father's mother is half "white"--if I have remembered his explanations correctly. At any rate, Wilton does have relatives in his father's side, by his own sharing of information, who have "mixed" ancestry, which appears to include Scottish.

So, you can share a DNA with Wilton. He can be your distant cousin without his various theories being true. Depending on the quality of the match, and other factors, it may also indicate you are both simply human and share human DNA. Sometimes it can be a challenge to prove if the match is a distant autosomal one between modern cousins.

I would suggest you compare the "kits who match both", and see if any of your common matches have linked trees. You're not going to get definitive proof of a common ancestor this way, but you might find some hints, or at least something that seems familiar in terms of surnames or locations.

I have a small match with all of his close relatives.

Anybody can be wrong about something. Eli Whitney (a Connecticut Yankee of old Euro stock) did invent the cotton gin, but there is evidence that his sponsor, Catherine Litlefield Greene Miller, made a few important improvements (that she never got credit for). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Whitney

I tend to cut Jeffery a bit more slack, as he's mainly underinformed and a bit foolish, not actively malevolent like - well, other people.

You guys are the best. ... thank you for the insight. I totally get what you guys are saying.

You're definitely right, it would have to be maternal unless Wilton had a direct Y link back to Somerled himself because the McDonalds don't show up in my line for quite some time.

That would be intriguing as all get out if that were to occur. .. for Wilton's line to go all the way back to Somerled. .. I'd be stunned.

Somerled, “King of the Isles” is your 24th great grandfather.
You → Floyd Lee Washington, Jr (your father) → Floyd Lee Washington, Sr. (his father) → Prince Edward Washington, Sr. (his father) → Pvt. Prince William Washington (his father) → Francis Augustine Washington, Sr. (his father) → Capt. Samuel T. Washington (his father) → Col. Charles Washington (his father) → Augustine Washington, Sr. (his father) → Capt. Lawrence Washington (his father) → John Washington (his father) → Reverend Lawrence Washington (his father) → Margaret Washington (his mother) → William Butler, Esq., of Tyes (her father) → Margaret Sutton (his mother) → John Sutton (her father) → Sir Edmund Sutton, of Dudley (his father) → Elizabeth de Berkeley, Lady Dudley (his mother) → Sir John Berkeley of Beverston, MP (her father) → Thomas de Berkeley, 3rd Baron Berkeley (his father) → Maurice de Berkeley, 2nd Lord of Berkeley (his father) → Joan (the Younger) de Ferrers, Baroness Berkeley (his mother) → Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Derby (her mother) → Helen, Countess of Winchester (her mother) → NN (Helen?) (her mother) → Ragnall mac Somhairle, Lord of the Isles (her father) → Somerled, “King of the Isles” (his father)

LOLOL .. Maven is my hitch hiker guide to the galaxy : ) : )

and she's right : ) I DO make mistakes.

Even Superman wasn't perfect... (I know ya'll watched the original Superman I, II, and III :D )

Superman.. was really messed up. LOL ~

Thinking out loud , processing as you go and being enthusiastic is entirely different, IMO.

I know I sometimes am easily misunderstood online. I think many of us are.

Many people who dive into something with passion may not be " neuro-typical", or they may be so excited about the big picture OR hyper focused on one detail initially that they miss the rest of it, which frustrates others who see the world in a more "normal" way.

As Maven said, this isn't coming from a place of bad intentions. At least, I have never had that impression myself either.

Jeffery Mark Washington Wilton may turn out to be related to Somerled, but not on a clean, Y-DNA line of descent.

He has the grandmother who he says was "half-white", and who seems to have had some Scottish ancestry. So, it seems entirely reasonable to me Wilton could also have the similar sort of zig-zagging path (skipping back and forth between maternal and paternal ancestors) those of us who have been in these discussions have found.

I also personally think his mother may have had at least one ancestor who had connections to the British Isles, a bit farther back, and have suggested as much, but he finds this offensive as well. If you are using Gedmatch, see if you have any sort of match with her or her brother.

Peter I the Just, King of Portugal is my 9th cousin 13 times removed.

Karrie,

Thank you. It makes sense because if it's not a direct Y line, how can we use it to trace the lineage?

Once there is a break in the line, it brings an entirely new set of genes into play. I really wish I could help him out more, but I simply need more evidence.

I am all for changing a false story into the truth, IF it's warranted, but right now I'm having a hard time finding his connection to Somerled in a Y gene sense of the the fashion.

I will be on standby.

Also.. I don't know what this is all aabout, but there is talk that the Neanderthal's never existed. Well.. I don't know about that. We have their skeletons, and they are a branch off the E gene.. but.. if they were NOT a branch of the E gene... then we have to go back to the drawing board. lol .. I have no idea how many Neanderthal skeletons we have, full ones I mean. ?

The Neanderthals are for real, Jeffery. There are a fair number of surviving fossils, and their genome has been completely analyzed so that we know how it differs from that of H. sapiens sapiens. They did *not* belong to Y-DNA haplogroup E (which evolved about 70,000 years ago, long after the Nenderthals did). There isn't (yet) enough analyzable Neanderthal Y-DNA to determine what *their* haplogroups were (though some progress has been made with Neanderthal mtDNA due to many more samples being available).

Hi Jeffery,

That's the thing. It becomes incredibly difficult to trace back to any specific individual using autosomal DNA *with certainty* at that distance.

I hesitate to say it is impossible, again because we al DO inherit DNA differently, but I would say it is pretty damn near impossible to prove. You can do what I suggested and find cousins who you share DNA with and compare trees.Then do the next thing....which is

The good news is, if any of us can reliably plug into a "gateway ancestor", meaning we can document our great grandparents and keep stepping back a few hundred years until we hit DOCUMENTED nobility, of the likes you will find in sources like the Peerage, (just an example before anyone jumps, keeping it basic) then it becomes a bit easier.

And it really isn't that unusual, since nobility had more resources to reproduce, and better chances for their offspring to survive.

BUT...you cannot be attached to the outcome. Might be a different surname entirely. Genealogy is full of surprises, it's what makes it fun, IMO. You don't bend the world of it to fit your desired outcome....you have to keep an open mind about what you might find when you set out digging into your ancestral past.