Mary Smith (Goodall) - Mary Smith's True Parents

Erica Howton I just sent a request to the profile managers to see if anyone has any documentation, or if there are any objections to separating Mary from the Goodales.

Do you have any input on this matter?

The names Goodell & Goodale seem interchangeable.

Apparently from Parish records:

1. Mary Goodell b: 14 MAR 1591/92 in Dennington, Suffolk, England

“According to Anderson, Grt Mig Begins “In 1984 George E. Williams compiled a genealogy of the descendants of Robert Goodale, which in the immigrant generation relies overmuch on tradition and speculation [Goodale Gen 5-7]””

That’s this book:

https://archive.org/details/genealogyofdesce00will

Probably also need to separate Robert Goodale, of Salem

Note that per the Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume III p 107 Robert Goodell of Dennington is not the father of Robert Goodale of Salem, MA. This Robert had two sons named Robert. The first born 1601/2 died young and the second born 1611 was too young to be the immigrant.

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/great-migration-immigra...

Sorry I’m getting off topic, but there was a bad merge in the English Goodell / Goodale ancestry. We should be following https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Goodale-27, which (uncited at Wikitree) follows:

Myrtle Stevens Hyde, FASG, Additions to the Ancestry of Richard1 Goodale of Salisbury, Massachusetts , in The American Genealogist (TAG). (Donald Lines Jacobus, et.al.), 85:134-140, Apr 2011.

This is Mary Goodale daughter of Robert Goodale, of Dennington & his wife Joan Goodale

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Goodale-20 biography for Mary Smith asserts that parentage, with three sources:

Marriage

1. Marriage record date-Trouwen Aktedatum: 23-11-1619 Plaats: Leiden
Groom-Bruidegom Rietsaerdt Meestersoon (wolkammer) geboren te Santwijck (Engelant) https://www.erfgoedleiden.nl/collecties/personen/zoek-op-personen/d...

Bride-Bruid Mary Goedael geboren te Leessen (Engelant) Bijzonderheden:
Witnesses: groom-Getuigen bruidegom: Willem Talbert - Jan Ellisz, zwager-brother-in-law -
Witnesses Bride- Getuigen bruid: Lysbeth Kibbel bekende - Mary Vinck bekende -Tammel: maiden name meisjesnaam witnes bride- getuige bruid: Arces

Note: Witness Willem Talbert was the husband of a Sara, she later married Samuel Lee, very likely brother of Bridget Lee wife of Samuel Fuller.

2. NEHGR vol. 174, pg 108

3. Paulick, Michael R., Richard Masterson, John Ellis, Christopher Verrall and The Sandwich Separatists 1603-1620, The New England Historical & Genealogical Register (NEHGS, Boston, Mass., 2000) Vol. 154, Page 355.
https://www.americanancestors.org/DB522/i/14301/355/0

Wikitree’s article for https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Masterson-25 does not mention his wife Mary Goodall’s parents, but helpfully gives us English summary:

Richard Masterson married Mary Goodall in Leiden, Holland on 23 November 1619 [NS]. [5][6] William Talbert, John Ellis (brother-in-law), Elizabeth Kibble, and Mary Vink were witnesses to the marriage.[5]

And the Anderson article for him:

Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins (Boston, Massachusetts: New England Historic & Genealogical Society, 1994) 1236-1238. AmericanAncestors (subscription) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB393/i/12107/1236/0

Leiden, Netherlands, Marriage Notice and Marriage Book for Alderman of Leiden, July 1611 to April 1633, record of marriage of Rietsaerdt Meestersoon and Mary Goedael. https://www.erfgoedleiden.nl/collecties/personen/zoek-op-personen/p... accessed 05 October 2019.

I can say that Elijah F. Atwood, Ye Atte Wode annals p 9 is known to contain errors. It was a 1928 book, and unfortunately there has been limited updates to his work. And his interest in this family would have been limited to the Lee marriage witness connection. So that’s not telling us much.

I want to read more before we detach, as the Separatists who went to Leyden were running around England giving false addresses and such while they spread their sedition. But I can say I’ve seen zilch and in zero connection between Goodale / Goodells of Suffolk & of Salem, Massachusetts Bay Colony and Leyden, Netherlands; and the English community there is decently studied.

Steven Mitchell Ferry

I’ve found a better interpretation for Bride-Bruid Mary Goedael geboren te Leessen (Engelant) Bijzonderheden: It’s “perhaps Leiston in Suffolk, England?” According to Sherman, Ruth Wilder. The Mary Atwood Sampler: more about Mary (Wood) (Holmes) Bradford of Duxbury and Plymouth, Massachusetts. (1990) NEHGR 144:24.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000206107601827

And I can confirm there is no published literature identifying, even speculating, on her origins, that I can find.

Thanks Erica Howton