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Margaret Johnstone - Ancestry of Margaret Ker (Kerr;Carr, et. al.)

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Here we have Margaret Ker, wife of Walter Ker, as being the daughter of Rev. William Johnstone and Helen Cullen, but there is no source material to support this.

In A Quest for the Ancestry of Walter Ker, p. 36, by Randolph and Dora V. Kerr; https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/188477/?offset=0#... [paywall], they state that "we do not know the name of Walter Ker's wife, other than it was Margaret.

In Genealogical and Personal History of Western Pennsylvania, p. 890, by John Jordan; https://archive.org/details/genealogicalpers02injord/page/890/mode/2up, he does not attribute a last name to Margaret.

In The Kerr Clan of New Jersy, p. 4, by William Armstrong, he states that Walter's wife was named Margaret, and that she may have been the daughter of James Johnstone. However, on p. 5, Armstrong discusses 5 sons of the Kers, including James, of whom "there is no record except this allusion: 'In 1691 James Johnstone deeded land to Walter Ker in right of his second son, James Ker.'"

There is a Genealogy.com forum, from 2007, (https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/ker/89/) with an article by Timothy Taylor, as a response to Douglas Somerset, in which Taylor states that Walter's wife was Margaret Johnstone, but he provides no proof. In 2012 Douglas Somerset had an article in Scottish Reformation Society Historical Journal, entitled Walter Ker and the "Sweet Singers" in which he avoids any mention of a wife for Walter.

Leah Parker, On the Trail of the Johnstone, Ker, and Barclay Families; https://www.clanbarclayinternational.org/uploads/1/3/0/9/130953147/..., has a good synopsis of all the works above mentioned, as well as others, including a transcript of the land deal by James Johnstone for the benefit of a young James Ker. She also opines that it is unlikely that Margaret was a daughter of James Johnstone given their respective ages, and that Margaret Ker was not the known sister of James and John Johnstone, as that woman remained in Scotland. Margaret, wife of Walter Ker, is most likely connected to the Johnstones, but there is not enough evidence to show in what way.

Absent any conclusive evidence, I think Margaret Ker should be shown as "parents unknown."

David Prins, what say you?

Erica Howton is this too far south for your expertise?

Private User, when you can, would you be kind enough to help with a proper profiles for Master William Johnstone of Forresterhill & Helen Cullen

I’ve detached and locked relationships on Margaret Ker

Private User - actually, the big mixup is with Rev. William Johnstone, of Laverocklaw who is notable as a father of two often seen immigrants to America:

Marjorie Johnstone

Dr. John Johnstone

Margaret, wife of Walter Ker and somehow ended up as a daughter of them, rather than the “James Johnstone” mentioned above.

Steven Mitchell Ferry

I’ve worked on plenty of Province of New Jersey families.

This is a clue; to what, I’m not sure.

'In 1691 James Johnstone deeded land to Walter Ker in right of his second son, James Ker.'"

See the comment at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnston-13947

1660 Early History of Perth Amboy, New Jersey; pg. 68 - 71 (Abbreviated) John Johnstone of Ochiltree selected land for a plantation 9 miles from Amboy, New Jersey and 4 miles from Piscataway. Scot gave letters from him. … John SCOT was also from Ochiltree and since De. John Johnstone (Jr.) married Eupham Scot, this makes sense. John Scot died on the journey from Scotland.

Erica Howton the paper from Leah Parker, that I highlighted above, actually has a link to a copy of the deed, as well as a transcript, which is here: https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:c4ca9b3d-ff12-4a2d-9f82...

One of the people in the Wiki Tree discussions thinks that is a sound basis to show James Johnstone as a grandfather for his namesake grandson, James Ker, thus making James Johnstone Margaret's father. But Parker points out that that is chronologically suspect. William Johnstone is dated at late 1635, so any son of his should not be expected much before1653. Unsuitable as a parent of c. 1661 Margaret.

Parker also posted documentation of the servants of James Johnstone (https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:08a71cf2-a9cb-4d77-9303...), one of whom was a man named James Johnston[e]. Perhaps he was old enough to have a daughter that married Walter Ker, we just don't know. As I mentioned, Parker thinks that Margaret could be a relation of the Johnstone family, but we don't know how.

Can we find a profile for the James Johnston, Esq. of the 1696 deed?

Answering myself - maybe his profile got eaten up?

I’ve recreated James Johnstone of Spotswood based on https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Johnstone-1822 & http://www.palmspringsbum.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I101...



FYI William’s birth date was off. Perhaps a baptism date for son James (oldest son) is findable. But yes, it still makes him rather young for a daughter born say 1661.

More to the point, he was in Scotland until 1684, and given his status as oldest son a distinguished enough family. There should be record of wife & children. Instead, his brother Dr. John Johnstone is his heir.

Wikitree shows a wife of Janet (Scott) Johnstone (1633) which doesn’t make sense. His brother married a Eupham Johnston however.

Another comment about the Ochiltree speculation as origin for Dr. John Johnstone:

http://www.palmspringsbum.org/tree/changes_2013.html

New Aberdeen parrots Whitehead's History of Perth Amboy in presuming the father of Doctor John Johnstone was John Johnstone of Ochiltree, "who had been listed by the government in May, 1684 as a fugitive having been in arms against the crown."

Subsequent sources convincingly establish that his parents were Reverend William Johnstone of Laverocklaw and Isabel Maitland.

Yes...that whole Johnstone line on here seemed somewhat fragmented...and just wrong. Thanks Erica Howton

Very bad merges. I got them straightened out, but the families are not complete. But, colonists have their correct parents.

Erica,

Master William Johnstone of Forresterhill

Helen Cullen

I have tidied up their profiles and uploaded images of their baptismal records and their marriage records (and one or two other pieces of record evidence).

I have also identified five children for them.

I hope that this helps.

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