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Sigehelm, Ealdorman of East Kent - Sigeraed, Prince of Kent

Started by Colin Henshaw on Tuesday, July 23, 2024
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Seen several lineages relating to Sigehelm on https://gw.geneanet.org, https://www.familysearch.org (Latter Day Saints), https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/M13P-LCJ/sigehelm-"ethel..., and https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LLQR-VYG

I can't vouch for the authenticity of these lineages, but they trace Sigehelm's lineage through kings of Kent and Essex starting with Seaxneat Teddasson b358. Sledda of Essex married Ricula and her lineage goes back to Hengist, Hengis's father is given as Wihtgils, and his lineage extends back thirteen generations, no doubt all mythological.

Would anyone like to comment on this?

The link is made solely on similarity in names and nothing else

Sigehelm, Ealdorman of East Kent is my 33rd great grandfather.
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You → Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe) (your mother) → Jahn Grahpe (her father) → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch (his father) → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff (his mother) → Helene Gertrude von Krüdener (her mother) → Bsse Helene Maria Esther von Völckersahm (her mother) → Helene d'Orville von Löwenclau (her mother) → Isaac d'Orville von Löwenclau (her father) → Peter Friedrich d'Orville (his father) → Pierre Peter d'Orville (his father) → Samuel d'Orville (his father) → Anne Godin, de Tampezo (his mother) → Christophe Godin (her father) → Jean VIII Godin, seigneur du Commun fief (his father) → Jean VII Godin, échevin de Valenciennes (his father) → Jean VI Godin, seigneur d'Auberchicourt, chevalier de Jérusalem (his father) → Johan V Godin, heer van Auberchicourt (his father) → Maria de Sebourg (his mother) → Adrien de Sebourg (her father) → Mathilde de Durbuy (his mother) → Mechteld, Gräfin von Kleve (her mother) → Dietrich Graf von Kleve gen. von Dislaken (her father) → Dietrich IV/VI "Nust", Graf von Kleve (his father) → Margaretha van Holland (his mother) → Ada de Huntingdon, Countess of Holland (her mother) → Henry, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon (her father) → David I, King of Scots (his father) → Saint Margaret, Queen of Scots (his mother) → Edward 'the Exile', Ætheling of England (her father) → Edmund II 'Ironside', King of England (his father) → Æthelred "the Unready", King of the English (his father) → Edgar I "The Peaceful", King of the English (his father) → Edmund I "the Magnificent", king of The English (his father) → Eadgifu (his mother) → Sigehelm, Ealdorman of East Kent (her father)

Would anyone like to comment on the link posted here:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M13P-LCJ

It's an LDS web-site.

It gives the parents of Sigehelm, Alderman of Kent as the son of Sigeraed, Prince of Kent, married to Wulfrida of the West Saxons.

Sigeraed, Prince of Kent is given as the son of Sigeric II, King of Essex.

Sigeric II, King of Essex is found on Geni and his lineage goes back to Seaxneat.

Sigeric II, son of Sigaraed, King of Kent, son of Seaxabald King of Essex, son of Sledda, King of Essex, mariied to Ricula.

Sledda, King of Essex was the son of Aescwine, son of Offa, son of Bedca, son of Sigefugel, son of Swaeppa, son of Antsecg, son of Gesecg, son of Seaxneat.

Ricula, wife of Sledda, King of Essex, was the daughter of Eomenric, King of Kent, son of Ochta, King of Kent, son of Aesc, King of Kent, son of Hengist, King of Kent, son of Wihtgils and brother of Horsa, Wihtgils is the son of Witta, son of Vegdagr, ostensibly the son of Odin.

Is the Family Search lineage connecting Sigehelm, Alderman of Kent with Sigeraed, Prince of Kent, and Sigeric II, King of Essex a genuine one, and should it be included in the geni web-site?

Your Family Search link is not useful, because, although it cites sources, almost all of the sources are other family web trees, and the only sources that cite primary sources do not give any parentage for Sigelhelm. Because no primary sources give that information. The primary source for the information that we have on Sigelhelm -- that being that he was the father of Eadgifu and that he died in battle -- is William of Malmesbury's Regesta Regum Anglorum. Anything else is speculation or wishful thinking.

Here is the family on Medlands -- https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm

Found a reference here:

Don't know if it has any validity.

https://www.thepeerage.com/p401.htm#c4009.1

However, I take your point that most references don't cite any ancestors for Sigehelm, and I would not include any without solid provenance. Speculation and wishful thinking sums it up very nicely

It's citing the Foundations of Medieval Genealogy, to a paper on the lineages of Anglo-Saxon royalty, and it has more weight than the family trees, certainly, BUT it cites no evidence for the connection.

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