Isaak Belisar (Itzhak) "Il Lup" Deutsch (Ashkenazi) (Deutsch (Askenazi)) - Wondering what the nickname "Il Lup" means?

Hi Adina,

What a great question! And I would love to know the answer too! While sadly I don’t have an answer about “II Lup” I just want to mention that when you put any name in parenthesis, that is suppose to indicate a previous or maiden name only. So putting the word Ashkenazi in parenthesis would make it difficult to find his profile when someone searches. Ashkenazi is a type of Jew. Some are Ashkenazi and some are Sephardic and there are two other types. If you eliminate that more people could find his profile, and maybe you would get some great help!
This is only a suggestion. You may have a perfectly good reason for listing his name like that!
Listing him like.. Isaak / Itzhak “II Lup” Deutsch. I’ve been on Geni.com for 20 years and a lot of people have taught me along the way. I wish you luck on finding out about his mystery nick-name!

Kindest regards,
Tracy Fish

One more thing…. I just did a quick look on Ancestry.com
Are you familiar with a Rachel Berenthal? Because she has a very nice family tree including some of the names surrounding Isaak / Itzhak. “II Lup” Deutsch.
If you don’t have Ancestry I can contact her for you. I’m sure she would like to be in touch with you

Best,
Tracy

I figured that the "Ashkenazi" was a religious reference - but what's interesting is when I poke around the tree there are actually people with Ashkenazi as a surname from when people had to choose one in medieval times.

I don't have the paid Ancestry account (I haven't had time to devote a lot of time to research, so I mostly poke around when I have time), but sure, I'd love to hear from Rachel!

@Adina Tamar Alexander

Hi Adina

According to research done by others, he is my 9th great grandfather.

I don't know if this helps, but "il lupo" is Italian for "the wolf".

What I would love to know is how did you manage to trace your family tree all the way back to him.

Kind regards
Anna Hardy

@Anna - I had started my own tree here and over the years people have connected with mine (Balasz Deri, in particular has done a LOT of work!). I just decided to see recently how far back the combined tree research has gone and was amazed!

"The Wolf" in Italian certainly would make sense! It seems like the family at that time was all around Germany, Italy, and France at the time. So cool since this is my father's line which ended up in Hungary!

Hello All,
I am also "seemingly" connected to thousands of Deutsch relatives through my late maternal grandmother, Gizella Deutsch. As noted, this is based on research done by Balacs Deri (Deutsch), who indeed has done a lot of work. Some of you may know that his work is considered controversial by many. As Anna Hardy very correctly asks .....How can any family trace their ancestry back that far (in some cases, 800 years or even more!). I myself have been researching for 30 years, and have never seen anything like this! So, while I applaud Deri's work, I do acknowledge that many experts are highly skeptical. I would say that jury is out on this situation. Until DNA evidence proves his assertions, I , for one, am somewhat wary.