Rapoto IV von Cham - De Antoninis of Viking ancestry from Gotland and Kashubia later Nordgau Willing etc

Are you related to Olli Lehto

Good evening, Mr. Letho,

Rapoto IV von Cham is my 26th great grandfather.
My proven paternal and maternal 17th ggf is John I the Victorious, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, this is according to GeniCom the relationship:
→ John I the Victorious, Duke of Brabant and Limburg
→ Adelheid of Brabant (his mother)
→ Hugh IV, Duke of Burgundy (her father)
→ Eudes III, duc de Bourgogne (his father)
→ Hugh III, duke of Burgundy (his father)
→ Marie de Champagne, Duchess of Burgundy (his mother)
→ Mathilde von Sponheim, duchess of Carinthia ( her mother)
→ Uta, Herzogin von Kärnten (her mother)
→ Count Ulrich von Putten Finnigen Passau, I (her father)
→ Rapoto IV von Cham (his father).

Yours, Angelique Nota - Kruize.

Mr. Lehto, sorry I misspelled your name, my mistake, sorry again.

Yours, Angelique Nota - Kruize.

Dear Angeline Nota, thank for the information. Just got to know that the Uttendorf should be connected with the counts of Hals. Emperor Otto ll settled new counts/nobility after the Bavarian rebellion and in that group should be the ancestor of de Antonis. The area would be found first in Nordgau- Nordwald. I did find the Swedish Skanze even there. The undervalued Kastel Rheimschronic tells about the castle and the Vikings. The Willinger name may originate from Willing, Bavaria also. The counts in Bavaria and Baden Wurttemberg built settlements in their areas after 976. As Alberto DI Willingen is nobility of Wurttemberg it looks at the moment he would be of the same Grans / Uttendorf origin. The Grans coat of arms is as the Uttendorf branch of Upper Austria. Of the Y DNA, the Alemanni. suebi, Lombardi Y DNA is as the most in Sweden of R YDNA, thus melting in German DNA easily. As Alberto is rare N in Vikings only about 20 known in more than 440 found in Ancient DNA testing, I believe all this may verify the Vikings in Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria as in the few Medieval sources written. I am very excited in this as a retired historian.

There may be another reason why this DNA is found in that area.
The Rhine river runs through Baden-Württemberg, the Vikings could sail from what is now the Netherlands deep into Europe. The Dutch part of the old kingdom of Frisia had a Viking ruler, the Dane Rorik of Dorestad.
Dorestad was an important Frankish trading post on the Rhine and was located near the current Dutch city of Wijk bij Duurstede.
The Vikings met traders from all over the world here and from here they sailed deep into Germany and via the tributary, the Maas, to France.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorik_of_Dorestad

Counts and Countesses of Württemberg were married to partners with Italian ties from Verona and Milan.
@Elisabeth Krautter (Wittelsbach), Heiress of Verona and Gräfin von Württemberg (according to GeniCom my first cousin 18 times removed, shared ancestor Willem III, Count of Holland my18th ggf.) was widow of
@Cangrande II della Scala, podestà di Verona (according to GeniCom my 7th cousin 15 times removed, shared ancestor Friedrich I Barbarossa, Holy Roman Emperor my paternal and maternal 21st ggf) and was married to Graf Ulrich "der Junker" von Württemberg.
By her first marriage she was Heiress of Verona. Her son, Graf Eberhard "der Milde" von Württemberg (according to GeniCom my second cousin 17 times removed) was married to @Antonia Visconti di Milano daughter of Bernabò Visconti, signore di Milano, he is according to GeniCom my 12th cousin 15 times removed, common ancestor
@Umberto I Biancamano, conte di Savoia my paternal and maternal 26th ggf.

Rapoto IV von Cham is your 25th great grandfather.

Olli Lehto is your 9th cousin.

Dear Angelina and Teuvo. Thank you both for your kind comments. Olli is family and Rapoto IV, looks like that now, Olli for me and Rapoto to my wife, if I am right after your comments. Della Scala and Visconti names appear in my wife's family tree as well, via several routes. Via the spouses ancestry much, much later after Alberto von Willingen. Will inform her.
Yes, the water routes as avenues of the Viking genes is so true also. The interesting bit is that we got a name from Fondo Del Torso and the comments of the counts of Di Antonini written centuries ago and can now locate the ancestry in Nordgau Nordwald and soon after in Villingen-Schweningen just during proper dates.
The counts from Bavaria and the Emperor's had interests in Istria and Aguilea. The ancestry in 1308 emerges in documents first in Capodistria and from there for Veneto and is noted moving from Amaro for Udine later when Udine became the centre for the patriarch. By that time Alberto's descendants had married well and we're high up in the society, finally counts. Before that the branch of my wife had left in the year 1400 for Cracow and Kassa Hungary. From Venetian sources is given the Grans von Uttendorff coat of arms, meaning with Alberto until the Italian ones after 1400. Actually my wife should use that old one. But much is still open. As being after 1400 until round 1620-1640 and soma ancestors much after still in the service for the Polish, before changing for the Swedish, the ancestor that arrived Stockholm was followed nearly day by day from Gävle, via Upsala and 1702 in Stockholm. Hence we know so much of this fencing master/sword master Franciscus de Antoninis. He was not trusted are all being loyal for the Swedish crown,. The digitalized documents are found in the Swedish State Archives. Riksarkivet, Ämnesarkiv, the sons in the military rolls from Livland and Sweden and some of the family. who were relatives of the doctor's of the Sigismund Kings of Poland from a study in the Greifsvald university study. Also one Jan, likely Giovanni Antoninis/Antoninus was the doctor for Sigismund the Old of Poland. As one of the family became Swedish diplomats in Moscow after 1640 and that family is from the doctors of the Polish court and kings it has been secrets, after secrets, deliberate shadowing of the past that has went on during the era of "Finlandizierung" and even after. To be of Viking origin in the Christian Medieval Era in Germany was not perhaps a merit, either. Being a Catholic from Poland moving into most Lutheran Sweden not so good either, of mercenary origin. But exiting this is.
Thank you so much

Rapoto IV von Cham is your 29th great grandfather.

Thanks for info about just another great grandfather.

(Olli Lehto is your 9th cousin once removed.)

Teuvo and Jarmo, this avenue into Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria may give more Viking origin families, amongst the turnier families. Have to read more. As you have Finnic names. What was your path into Bavaria? How did you end there ? I am not at all good with Geni.

Teuvo H. A. Väyrynen → Otto Hermanni Tanelinpoika Väyrynen (your father) → Taneli Tanelinpoika Väyrynen (his father) → Pieta Väyrynen (his mother) → Brita Stina Fabianintytär Koivumäki (her mother) → Peata Kaarlentytär Koivumäki (her mother) → Beata Hedvig Kaarlentytär Schmiedt (her mother) → Carl Ludvig Schmiedt (her father) → Catharina Sofia Freidenfelt (his mother) → Catharina Duncker (her mother) → Anna Sophie Marie von Weltzien (her mother) → Maria Dorotea von Hobe (her mother) → Anna von Kardorff (her mother) → Jürgen von Kardorff, till Wöpkendorf (her father) → Joachim von Kardorff (his father) → Jutta von Moltke (his mother) → Otto von Moltke (her father) → Heinrich Friedrich von Moltke (his father) → Vicke Friedrich von Moltke (his father) → NN Fürstenberg (his mother) → Duke Egon / Egino von Fürstenberg, Graf von Fürstenberg (her father) → Agnes von Truhendingen, Gräfin von Fürstenberg (his mother) → Anna Cordula von Ortenburg (her mother) → Heinrich von Ortenburg, I (her father) → Kreivi Rapoto von Ortenburg, I (his father) → Uta, Herzogin von Kärnten (his mother) → Kreivi Ulrich von Putten Finnigen Passau, I (her father) → Rapoto IV von Cham (his father)

Teuvo, thank you. Amazing. And down to Rapoto lV. You and my Kristina are distant relatives behind more than 1000 years. Some of the family names emerge in Kristina's tree, so, there are several avenues. Will inform her. Yours Erkki

Dear Angelina Nota, thank you for the link to Dorestad and Rorik. After your comment I returned for the Italian research and PhD Liliana Gargneglutti notes that in one branch of suggested relatives of the Udine Antonis, is repeated that the ancestors would have arrived with Ludwig the Pious, Franks, in escort or just during those dates. That would give much earlier date as 974-976. PhD Gargneglutti just mentions this, the documents from the Fondo del Torso, may give more. Your hint is really valuable, thank you for your effort. That would give Frisia wre some Norman ancestry is originated living in Finland today, Ramsay we have in the family tree. That branch emerged - as the Antonis as mercenaries in early 17th century from Scotland, in the troops of the Swedish kings. Direct bloodline with this family is clear with my wife. You all, kindly commenting my search have really made my day. Via Scotland, England, all Nordic countries and Russia, France this Antonini family branch of my wife relates with several Viking origin families, via spouses lineages. If, in this case, the avenue is this earlier one, the Viking origin stays as possible as via Otto lol and Denmark conflicts. Will dig more now.

Teuvo H.A. Väyrynen how nice to see a decendant to Vicke Friedrich von Moltke here on Geni, just want to say that I added the picture of him and his wife on this site some years ago, see that you are my 15h cousins too!

Were did you find the oicture? Interesting painting!

I en kyrka i skåne.