I'm creating this discussion in order to try and coordinate the many people working on this line, as we each have slightly different versions.
Here is a most brief list of some on the main profiles in this line:
King David of Israel / דוד המלך and his son Shephatiah .
Hillel Hazaken - 'The Elder' grandfather of Gamaliel I
Rabban Gamliel II of Yavne
Ofir Friedmancan you please add the list of Rashi profiles that you have, with links also to their managers.
I am NOT personally familiar with this line, although Malka Mysels seems to have a solid source for her version. My interest in this line ends with the immediate family of King David of Israel / דוד המלך as I work almost solely on the bible tree.
Let's get this mess in order folks!
All comments welcome.
Thank you for setting up this forum to address this vital issue. We really need everyone's help as this line has somehow been lost.
Shmuel, to participate is the discussion do you just have to post a response, and then does your profile link automatically to the sidebar?
Ofir Friedman has astutely saved records of the previous links. Perhaps it is best if one person takes over co-ordinating all the information that comes in and then posts the options for us all to decide on how best to proceed to repair the line and hopefully with the added help of experts in the area.
The line that I found with a source to substantiate it was the one that Leah Hoffman originally had with Hillel's father as Hezekiah Hazaken ben Uzziah and so on for 37 generations to Daniel ben Shephatiah ben David HaMelech, and I have already sent Ofir a screen shot of that.
I'm 99.99% certain that
was the son of
two days ago, and that the disconnect somehow happened while I was merging B Yungreis's branch onto the main tree.
So I imagine that the first step is to glue them back together.
Does this path from King David to Rashi seem right?
King David / דוד המלך .
King David of Israel / דוד המלך
Shephatiah / Chefatia / שפטיה .
Tola / Tolam .
Melchi / Melchiah
Elnathan Governor of Judea
Uzziah Hazaken? Ben-Shlomo
Hezekiah Hazaken ( Descendant of Benjamin ) Hezekiah Hazaken
(Needs to be reconnected)
Hillel Hazaken / הלל הזקן
Simeon II / שמעון בן גמליאל
Raban Gamliel of Yavneh
Yehoshua Zimri Tzarfarti
Yosef b Nakhman Tzarfarti
Rabbi Jose HA-GAON Tzarfarti
Atdhan (Avraham) Tzarfarti
Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaki (רש"י) Rashi Rashi רש״י
I should add that I know nothing about the genealogy and was irresponsibly trying to merge three trees that led from Rashi to Adam Harishon. I now see that Marla Schick's trees has some differences from Malka Mysels's tree before Rashi's father at
I seem to be simply messing up your work, so I will try to step out of this project unless you need me to do something with one of B Yungreis's profiles.
Eli, the path that I have is the one that Geni's algorithm just created for me. We need to have input like you are providing so kindly by responding so that the line can indeed be authenticated, merged and cleaned up.
Ofir Friedman seems to have kept alot of records, and if he would agree to become the central co-ordinator for the Rashi to KIng David line, then perhaps with everyone's input and help we will be able to figure out the correct path.
Some of the differences I see from the Rashi path above that I had, and the one with Marla Schick's tree.
his father → Yitzchak Tzarfati
his father → shlomo (?)
his father → Eliyakim (?)
his father → Aharon Rofeh (probably same needs merging)
his father → Avraham Rofeh (probably same needs merging)
his father → Yossi Constantina (probably the same profile as above)
his father → Minyomi (needs merging)
his father → Yanai Tzafarti
his father → Yosef b Nakhman Tzarfarti
his father → Nachman Tzafarti
his father → Yokhanan Tzarfarti
his father → Yehoshua Zimri Tzarfarti
his father → Yochanan Hasandlar
his father → Raban Gamliel of Yavneh
his father → Simeon II / שמעון בן גמליאל
his father → Gamliel Hazaken
his father → Simeon HaNasi
his father → Hillel Hazaken / הלל הזקן
1) once you comment, then yes your name will appear under Participants, and yo will automatically see this discussion in your list.
2) The easiest way to "tag" people to get them in the Profiles Mentioned list, is to copy-paste their profile-ID between double-square brackets. Like this: [[profile-ID]].
[If someone is a close relative you can use the @ trick described to the right of the reply box. but it doesn't always find people, so I skip it altogether.]
Geni simply hung when I tried to attach David as Jesse'sJesse . son, but when I then said that Jesse was "This person" (David's father), it worked.
Ok, I reconnected Hillel Hazaken - 'The Elder' grandfather of Gamaliel I as son of Hezekiah Hazaken, as indicated by Malka Mysels in a post #6.
Ok, a status report on what I understand so far about what remains unresolved from my attempted merge:
1. There is now a second Boaz . half/partial unresolved brother of the official Boaz .. This second Boaz is merely part of an orphaned chain managed by Private User leading from Nahshon ben Aminadav down to Yoshea Hasandler.
2. There is now a second Rashi רש״י managed by Private User listed as the great-grandson of the main Rashi רש״י's uncle Elyakim Ben Aharon Tzarfati, [Rashi Gt.Gd.father]. This second Rashi apparently has thousands of descendants many of which are also connected to the main Rashi, either separately or through unresolved tree merges.
3. The main Rashi רש״י now has double daughters
of Miriam and Yocheved (Yochoved) besides the daughters of the second Rashi.
I am repeating here what Malka Mysels pointed out earlier about Marla Schick's tree, that:
between Rashi's father Yitzchak Tzarfati and his ancestor Avraham son of Yossi/JOSE
some people have three generations
Shlomo son of Elyakim son of Aharon (Harofeh)
while the main Geni tree now simply has one generation called Aharon?/Shlomo? Aharon Hagadol Tzarfati [RASHI gt.gt.gd.father]
B Yungreis's tree had the three generations, but they got lost during my merge.
Thank you Eli, your help and reports are greatly appreciated.
Regarding the Rashi profile perhaps you should consult with Ofir before proceeding with any merges because he has a large list of Rashi profiles and some source material that he is sorting out in order to formulate a central plan - so just check with him first.
In addition to [[Rashi רש״י]] and [[http://www.geni.com/profile/index/6000000003078549436#/tab/overview]] there is a third Rashi with many descendants [[Unknown Profile]], but Ofir has found many more.
Eli, your enthusiasm and interest in offering to help clean up the Rashi to King David line is most welcome. We are urgently looking for people to help us with this project. This is a pivotal area of the Big Tree and it is in dire need of attention and central coordination such as Shmuel so selflessly provides for the Bible tree.
Shmuel and Eli thanks for printing a link guide, let me try to see if i can
get the links to work right this time.
I do not know who you people are, but I find it close to ridiculous to suddenly see Geni telling me that my wife's second cousin's wife's cousin (or something like that) is Rashi haKadosh's 26'th great grandson.
1) Whether it is true or not is totally irrelevant.
2) The chances of anyone alive today KNOWING if it is true are nil.
Maybe stop cluttering Geni with this stuff?
It seems to me as useful as (lehavdil!!!) the way Geni tries to get me related to Madonna or George Washington. Yeah right....
Have a great Pesach Sheni, meheira yibaneh!!!
@Shimon, I personally LIKE knowing the trivial stuff. As a matter of fact Madonna IS a distant cousin of mine through the Fortin line of French-Canadians, plus I was one who worked on her tree. I like knowing who my ancestors are and who their descendants are no matter how far removed they are.
If it's irrelevant information to you, I am guessing you might want to set your tree preferences to see Ancestors only, that way you won't be offended by all the rest of the family trees that are connected via siblings of ancestors.