Where does Hlessey Fornjotsson come from?

Started by Harald Tveit Alvestrand on Sunday, April 25, 2010
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4/25/2010 at 7:17 AM

The Orkney saga, which is the traditional source for Fornjot himself, only says this:

There was a king named Fornjot, he ruled over those lands which are called Finland and Kvenland; that is to the east of that bight of the sea which goes northward to meet Gandvik; that we call the Helsingbight. Fornjot had three sons; one was named Hler, whom we call Ægir, the second Logi, the third Kari.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/ice/is3/is302.htm

Random Googling doesn't find him - just a lot of genealogical sites referencing him.

Can anyone help?

4/25/2010 at 9:53 AM

Hi!

Snorre writes about him in Edda. See the following link:

http://books.google.no/books?id=omQJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA370&lpg=P...

I can't give you any exact translation of this, but sure there must be any norwegian translation of this around.

4/25/2010 at 10:03 AM

Thanks for the pointer! - that's actually not the canonical Snorre, it's the Orkneying-saga. I have just been reading that, since it's the source for the other people of this little tree.

But here it seems that "Hlessey" actually is translatable as "Hler's Island", the text at sacred-texts.com is the same saga, and it says "he found there his kinsmen, they who were come from Hler the old out of Hler’s isle" - so Hler is somehow related to Gor, but there's no person named Hlessey in sight.

4/25/2010 at 11:29 AM

After a little more research I'm quite convinced that the background for this person Hlessey Fornjotsson comes from bad translation or misunderstanding of some saga texts.

Here is a link to a book by Viktor Rydberg "Our Fathers' Godsaga: Retold for the Young" wich gives an explanation of the name Hlessey:

http://books.google.no/books?id=qBg9OZGPcWkC&pg=PA183&dq=hl...

This is maybe a profile that needs to be removed?
The big mystery is where the birthyear of 189 comes from?

4/25/2010 at 11:56 AM

I changed his first name to LIKELY ERROR Hlessey - this name is so firmly embedded in the folklore of genealogy (probably rooted in the Mormon archives, but I can't be sure of that) that there will probably be a dozen other copies uploaded before the deluge ends.

Feel free to edit my explanation in the profile, if you want to!

As for 189 - I think someone just counted the generations and assigned some arbitrary number of years per generation. This was entered into some database somewhere, and the estimate has been copied around by many, many people. In other parts of that tree, the numbers are extremely round.

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