Walter Palmer (c1585-1661)

Started by Private User on Thursday, September 23, 2010


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Private User
9/23/2010 at 8:09 PM

Walter Palmer, of Stonington I see that a master profile has been established for Walter Palmer. I assume that this was done by Erica Howton since she was the last curator to modify the profile.

This seems to be a perplexing profile since there is controversy over the number of wives he had, their names, where he was born, who his parents were, and possibly even who his children were.

I am opening this discussion to seek opinions from knowledgeable people and to find out how Erica plans to proceed.

9/23/2010 at 8:12 PM

With full input from you and others, of course!

I am currently merging duplicates in and around Mr. Palmer as it was an unholy mess. That should clear the underbrush out so a genealogically valid consensus can be easier reached.

Sound good?

9/23/2010 at 8:15 PM

May I take this moment to say how much I hate GEDCOMs?

9/23/2010 at 8:21 PM

Also tagging Geoffrey David Trowbridge as I see you initiated some merges a while back we're now able to see through.

9/23/2010 at 8:50 PM

"So glad to see someone clean up this tree, I keep getting requests to merge Walter.

9/23/2010 at 9:44 PM

There will probably be more merge requests. These profiles are triblets.

9/24/2010 at 4:26 AM

Erica, well said on the GEDCOM issue. I share your frustration with them.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 7:29 AM

From what I have seen so far, it appears that two different Walter Palmers are being combined in this profile. One who arrived at Plymouth in 1621 and was married to Frances Blossom and another who arrived at Salem in 1629, was a widower, and later married Rebecca Short. My conjecture that this latter Walter was earlier married to Rebecca's sister Ann probably does not have sufficient evidence to hold up.

My particular interest is in two of Walter's alleged sons, John and Joseph, and where they fit in.

9/24/2010 at 11:12 AM


So you're saying that notes in the "overview" tab have conjoined through merges of the two Mr. Palmers?

I think a step is to find valid "quick reference" URLs such as NEHGS for both families.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 11:50 AM

Yes, I have just added the will of the latter Walter Palmer to the end of the About Me section. It clearly bears no resemblance to the will posted earlier.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 11:59 AM

It is probably not as simple as just merging profiles for two different people. There is a lot of confusion in the family histories and I suspect that many profiles were hybrids.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 12:54 PM

The will didn't go in on the first try because it appears that About Me is limited to 100 kb (about 39 Word pages). I removed some duplicated material and it is there now. (I would have put it in as a source document, but I have not yet figured out how to upload one.)

I also just noticed that [6000000002474038608] is listed as a curator on the profile, so I am tagging her into the discussion.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 12:56 PM

Private User OK, here is the tag.

9/24/2010 at 1:21 PM


Geni doesn't support Word document uploads. But you are more than welcome to email it to me through my profile. I'll try to convert to PDF and upload it for everyone to have available.

Glad to see Kristi on the case.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 1:48 PM


The format is not my problem, I have not yet figured out where the "add source" button is.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 2:00 PM

If you take a closer look there is three tabs in the main area of the profile, "Overview" (probably the one you are viewing), "Info", "Timeline", "Discussions", "Sources", "Revisions" and "Tree Matches.'

Guess which tab you should click for and look for a "Add" link?

Since you have a document you could for example click on the Add Document button in the documents section of the "Overview" tab.

9/24/2010 at 2:03 PM


I had the same problem for months -- you have to first add the document in the main tab, and then you can associate it with "sources" in that tab. Not intuitive. I have raised to Geni as an enhancement request to make a one step process.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 2:06 PM

Thanks for addressing this Gary. It is a bit of a mess isn't it? He's my 11th great grandfather so I can be assured I'm on the case ;-).

9/24/2010 at 2:09 PM


Lead the way. Apparently he (or the *other* Mr Palmer) is a second cousin whatever. If you say it's helpful, I will continue to merge in obvious dups *around* but not directly on the profile.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 2:27 PM

I'm in the thick of it right now. Probably going to lock some surrounding profiles as a safeguard while merging.

Private User
9/24/2010 at 5:24 PM

Well fixed up his wife and children. I probably removed some hypothetical children as well. His parents are really theoretical so I think I'm not going to put much effort into that connection. I am working on his grandchildren now though.

9/24/2010 at 5:53 PM


You rock!

Private User
9/24/2010 at 7:34 PM

Funny enough, I lost my direct descendency from him in the mix. I'm sure I'll find it again.

9/24/2010 at 8:04 PM

I think re-indexing the database is an automated and scheduled event: basically, we need to let geni catch up to all the activity. You'll get it again.

I just took a look and thought: well, that's one way to clean up a pile of congealed noodles.

Private User
9/26/2010 at 4:50 PM

As noted earlier, the master profile for Walter Palmer was a merge of profiles for William (not Walter, I missed that earlier) Palmer, who arrived in the Colonies in 1621 and settled in Duxbury and Walter Palmer, who arrived in 1629, and eventually settled in Stonington. Kristi Mas has started the process of converting this profile to one solely about Walter.

There are currently 11 profiles for William Palmer (of Duxbury), although one of them confuses him with his son. I found an interesting note in Rootsweb concerning William: "Not the son of John Palmer and Elizabeth Virney, oft given as baptized in 1585. That's actually a burial record. See The Colonial Genealogist XII:3, page 115." However, I do not have access to this source.

As far as I can tell, there is also no evidence that John Palmer and Elizabeth Verney are the parents of Walter. The Walter Palmer Society states that he is probably the son of Walter Palmer and Elizabeth Carter.

Also, I note with surprise that Walter is now getting his 15 minutes of fame as one of the 100 most popular profiles. I guess it doesn't take much.

9/26/2010 at 9:47 PM

So glad that we are blessed with such diligent Geni members, I would not know where to start at sorting out this mess. Dial up internet service does not help any!!

Private User
9/26/2010 at 10:12 PM

@Gary John Palmer and Elizabeth Verney must have been the parents of an alternative Walter Palmer. I'll add Walter Palmer and Elizabeth Carter as hist parents. Thanks for the heads up!

9/26/2010 at 10:15 PM


Sometimes a fast network can make your fingers work faster than your brains, though. :)

Private User
9/27/2010 at 8:00 AM


No, there does not seem to be another Walter listed in the children of John Palmer and Elizabeth Verney, although there may have been a son who died in infancy or as a young child.

The problem here is that a huge number of family trees list both Walter and William Palmer as children of John Palmer and Elizabeth Verney. When you look for the source information for that, it is invariably another family tree. I think this is the tendency for a few people to list prominent parents for immigrants, and then for others to just copy that.

Both John Palmer and Elizabeth Verney come from prominent English families. John is said to have been a knight and Elizabeth is said to have been a god-daughter of Queen Elizabeth. They had an estate in Parham, Somersetshire. If either Walter or William had come from such a prominent family, it would have been noted in contemporary or 19th century biographies, and it is not.

9/27/2010 at 8:16 AM

Gary, In this Tree
going back to Walter Palmer was he married to Rebecca Elizabeth Palmer (Short) (1607 - 1671)
Rebecca Elizabeth Palmer (Short)

Their children were born in the late 1630s and 1640s he would be close to this correct??

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