List of to do's for our project

Started by Hatte Blejer on Saturday, April 2, 2011

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4/2/2011 at 1:25 AM

Erica Howton suggested that we start with "research resources to load up in the project overview and documentation module... [and] a "timeline" document so I can see how the war came about, where it was fought (battles etc)., the political "players" and so on."

4/2/2011 at 8:12 AM

Hatte

Thank you so much for the getting this started. The "overview" you did was quite fascinating and gave me lots of food for thought! (I kept going "wow ... did not know that!" at the screen. :>)

For my own "to do" list:

- I have Gardiners / Gardners somehow .... not sure of the exact relationship but I was cleaning up that line a week or so ago. So maybe I'll start there, see if I can find participants.

- I am totally fascinated by the "Praying Indians." So I'll look into that more.

I would suggest we progress to some sectioning in the Project Overview that goes something like this:

Links (on line resources)
- families
- towns
- American Indian history
- settler / native conflicts / history

Supplemental reading (online / offline resources)

Timeline for the war itself (I could swear I've seen something on line to copy & paste)

Great project idea, thank you so much for getting it going.

4/2/2011 at 9:57 AM

I found a timeline but could not add a Word document which I cut and paste it into. It was so late that I did not include the link where the timeline is found but will do so later today. You are great at structuring projects. Can you add the sections and I will find material and profiles?

Private User
4/2/2011 at 11:28 AM

November 7 (October 28 Julian Calendar, Wednesday), 1646, New England: In the Massachusetts Bay Colony, under the “Act for the Propagation of the Gospel Amongst the Indians” (passed under Governor John Winthrop), the first Protestant church assembly specifically for North American tribesmen is held in the wigwam of the first Nipmuck Algonquin convert, Waban (age 42), at Nonantum (present Newton) by missionary Reverend John Eliot. This took place after Reverend Eliot won a lengthy court battle for his “Praying Indians” to occupy 2,000 acres of land in present Natick.

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4/2/2011 at 1:52 PM

Hette found your project on King Philip's War very interesting! Even more interesting I noticed in the list you provided was a Timothy Bake. This peeked my interest since there is bake in my line.Checked out Timothy Baker's profile and low and behold his father Edward baker is in fact my line. Also James Grant who was the descendant n one of the Scot prisoners was also involved with King Philip's War. Anyway nothing to add at this moment but wanted to commend you on your project. Judy

4/4/2011 at 2:11 AM

Recruit some others. This topic is fascinating! I have filled out the body of the project and added important military leaders in the Great Swamp Fight in which my relative Captain Isaac Johnson was killed.

4/5/2011 at 12:49 AM

I love the revised overview. My only suggestion would be to encourage people to add links and documents and bring on over their ancestors profiles.

We've been working on individual profiles ... then family lines ... then towns for "original planters." This Project is bringing it together for me, particularly when I can visualize those older Connecticut towns, which as I imagine Ashley can attest to, some of which seem "suspended in time."

4/5/2011 at 12:51 AM

Judith

Isn't it amazing? Just when you're pretty sure your ancestor was "an ordinary Joe Farmer" (early days for "Joe Six Pack"?) it turns out they lived these important historical events!

So cool that it relates to the Scots Prisoners. Are you saying the same guy was sent to prison, deported, and fought Indians? Dang!

4/5/2011 at 12:54 AM

Maps

If there's battles I gotta have maps. And one of those animated thingees they do now to show territory going back and forth.

Private User
4/5/2011 at 4:56 PM

Erica fortunately or unfortunately, depends on how you view it. I most likely had relatives on both sides.

4/5/2011 at 6:29 PM

That's why I need recruits to this project is to do all those things. I know what I'm good for and it's vision but some of the details such as maps will have to come from others until I have some more time. I am juggling about 20 things on Geni as well as working full time this month probably.

4/11/2011 at 5:26 AM

And Hatte

Why should you have all the Project fun anyway!

Collabs & participants - go map hunting, load as documents.

And bring your ancestors on over.

4/11/2011 at 7:42 AM

And bring in more collaborators :) We need drawings of the battles, drawings of King Philip and of the New England Confederation commanders. Descriptions.

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4/12/2011 at 3:59 AM

Erica the Scots not only fought in this war they were they some of the most furious ones there. Supposedly there was gruesome poem written about Grants explodes in this King Philips War,. I wish I could remember the name of the poem. Never read it, Didn't want to but it might be useful now. Maybe someone out there will know what I am talking about and add it to the project.

Private User
4/12/2011 at 4:08 AM

Hatte the name of the poem I couldn't remember is Mogg Megone by Whittier and is based on Archival records. Had to google it to fine it but I found it.

4/12/2011 at 6:22 AM

Thanks Judith, I'm going to look for it.

4/12/2011 at 6:26 AM

Whew, it's a long poem. I will put it into Word, then scan it into PDF, since Geni doesn't upload Word.

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4/12/2011 at 3:48 PM

Hatte it looked like it was long. Like I said I never read it . I was afraid it would be too gruesome. Maybe I will give it another look see! Plus poems are not my thing but this appears be more interesting then the average poem! Hope it's helpful to you. I usually avoid reading unless it's newspapers, or good magazine articles, craft books , historical books both stories and facts filled one., like books on the Knights, Kings and Queens ete and the Old West. Love anything on Indians and cowboys, not necessarily together. , Colonial history, ( I have the attention span of a nat!)I did make it through Centennial. Loved that book and the mini series was just as good. It's not that I can't read . I just don't like to.

4/22/2011 at 7:56 AM

I have been running across ancestors who fought in King Philip's War left and right. Keep the profiles coming. At some point, I'll get back to organizing the war in terms of battles and sieges and which town was involved when and with what consequences.

4/25/2011 at 2:55 PM

Hatte Blejer, I'm having the same experience -- I guess it's a war I just never thought to look into much before -- but I'm trying to make sure I source information before adding profiles. Can anyone suggest some strong resources for verified lists of participants? I've found a bunch of sites but I'm not sure which ones are best.

4/25/2011 at 3:15 PM

I cannot tell you which sources are best. What I can say is that so many New England men fought in it or somehow participated in it that there should be many sources. I did list some I found at the end of the project but going to Google eBooks would be in order. I also looked on Amazon at one point, but modern books are less likely to list fighters.

4/25/2011 at 6:57 PM

Yes, there are lots of available ones. I guess I'm just wondering if there is an "official" list somewhere. Probably not, I suppose, due to the time period and all.

4/25/2011 at 7:00 PM

One of the ones I saw listed name after name. It was an old one that I cited somewhere in the project.

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9/20/2011 at 5:06 AM

@ Hatte Blejer

Maybe this may help you..

SOLDIERS of KING PHILIP'S WAR
Containing
Lists of the Soldiers of Massachusetts Colony,
who served in the Indian War of
1675— 1677.
Sketches of the Principal Officers, and Copies of
Ancient Documents and Records
Relating to the War.
BY
GEORGE M. BODGE. (1891)

It is a free e-book...a real nice read...have fun !!!

9/20/2011 at 8:19 AM

A summary by Bodge of King Philip's War is here

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~massasoit/bodge.htm

9/20/2011 at 8:25 AM

A couple more references to sources / ancestors here

http://rjohara.net/gen/wars/philip

Index to names in Bodge starts page 487

http://books.google.com/books?id=ewMOAAAAIAAJ&vq=Index&pg=P...

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9/20/2011 at 11:36 AM

Has anyone read "Mayflower" by Nathaniel Philbrick? I just finished it yesterday as part of my campaign to self-educate about our early American colonial ancestors. It begins with the Separatists in England and Holland, and the last half is devoted to King Philip's War. It includes wonderful maps and a 30-page bibliography. Fascinating!

He calls it "one of the most horrendous wars ever fought in North America" and says "the fourteen months between June 1675 and August 1676 had a vast, disturbing impact on the development of New England, and with it, all of America."

A few interesting quotes:

"In terms of the percentage of population killed, the English had suffered casualties that are difficult for us to comprehend today. During the forty-five months of WWII, the United States lost just under 1% of its adult male population; during the Civil War the casualty rate was somewhere between 4 and 5%; during the fourteen months of King Philip's War, Plymouth Colony lost close to 8% of its men... But the English losses appear almost inconsequential when compared to those of the Indians. Of a total Native population of approximately 20,000, at least 2,000 had been killed in battle or died of their injuries; 3,000 had died of sickness and starvation, 1,000 had been shipped out of the country as slaves, while an estimated 2,000 eventually fled to either the Iroquois to the west or the Abenakis to the north. Overall the Native American population of southern New England had sustained a loss of somewhere between 60 and 80%."

"But if the English had succeeded in asserting their demographic dominance, the war was, at best,a Pyrrhic victory for the colonists. The crushing tax burden required to pay for the conflict stifled the region's economy... Not for another hundred years would the average per capita income in New England return to what it had been before King Philip's War."

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9/20/2011 at 11:40 AM

I haven't verified it independently, but Wiki says "Mayflower was a finalist for both the 2007 Pulitzer Prize in History and the Los Angeles Times Book Award and was winner of the Massachusetts Book Award for nonfiction".

9/20/2011 at 11:58 AM

Thanks Jen! Sobering stats indeed.

As a digression, I read an amusing book on our Puritan forefathers in the Massachusetts Bay Colony recently, non historian Sarah Vowel's "The Wordy Shipmates," 2008. Talks about the Pequod Wars more than King Philip's .. . But sets the stage perhaps.

http://blogcritics.org/books/article/book-review-the-wordy-shipmate...

9/23/2011 at 10:03 PM

Metacom's/King Philip's War is indeed the worst known war in American history in terms of percentage of population killed. What's truly sobering is that it is absolutely nothing compared to the Huron campaign of the Beaver Wars in Canada, during which the Huron population went from about 30,000 to about 500 due to the combined effects of the Five Nations invasion of the area and the outbreak of European-brought diseases that made the Huron incapable of fighting back.

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