Exploring Métis Ancestry

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Private User
6/2/2011 at 10:12 AM

Challenges with exploring Métis ancestry can stem from a number of sources: family members may have been trained "never to speak of that," and so may be unwilling to disclose much information when asked; or the secret may have been so well guarded that they have no idea of their own history. In addition, while it's possible to search certain archives for data pertaining to Canada's Métis people, their uncertain political status, and exclusion from the Indian Act, have rendered individuals invisible in many cases.

How have you tracked down your Métis ancestors? Did you always know your family had Métis roots, or was it a surprise to learn of it? This discussion is a place where you can tell your story--and reclaim some of your heritage.

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10/15/2014 at 6:43 PM

Louis Denys de LaRonde117, 118 was born 2 August 1675 in Notre Dame de Quebec, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada118, and died 24 March 1740/41 in L`Hotel Dieu, Quebec, Canada118. He married Marie Louise Chartier de Lotbiniere on 20 July 1709 in Quebec, Canada118.

Includes NotesNotes for Louis Denys de LaRonde:

Louis was a Commandant of Fort LaPointe in Chequamegon, Madeleine Island, Wisconsin until 1741. His wife, Marie Louise Chartier de Lotbiniere took over the role on the death of her husband in 1741 We know little of his son, John T; his nephew describes La Coll and Phillipe Louis as his uncles; but, in fact they must have been his great uncles. In 1733 the King of France granted the northern half of the LaColle seigniory in Quebec to Louis while the southern 2 leagues were granted to Louis Leonard de Beaujeau. Both men served as French Officers during the colonial wars; however, by 1741 both tracts of land were reclaimed by the Crown. in 1763 the seigneury was purchased and in the ownership of English settlers. We know that this Louis isn`t the elder brother of John T`s father for the grant was made in 1733 and the latter was born in 1750. Further he could not be the Louis born 1675 for he was John T`s grandfather. We have no knowledge of any issue - perhaps he is also the Louis Denys killed in 1781 at LaColle, though the town history does not record a battle in that year.

There is a sizeable estate in Montreal that has been in litigation since 1840 and it is possible that George Laronde may be one of the heirs. It all started with a French naval officer, Louis Denys de la Ronde (1675-1741) who came to Canada and was commandant of the French post at LaPointe, which was on Madeleine Island, near, what is now Ashland. Wisconsin USA.
He commanded the post from 1727 until his death in 1741 and his wife took his place in that capacity from 1741 to 1750. He was also engaged in the fur trade. The estate begins here.
Louis Denys, son, Pierre Francois Paul Denys de la Ronde, was an officer in the French army. While he was stationed at Fort Pontchartrain hear Detroit, his two sons, the 2nd Louis Denys (1763-1818) and Charles Francois (1763-1840) were born.
Louis II was a fur trader. He moved to an island in Lake Nipissing and had 10 children by an Indian wife.
But records also show that he married again in 1800 and had 3 children by his second wife. It is not clear whether his first wife was dead at the time of his second marriage. However he made out his will in 1797 and made his children by his Indian wife his sole heirs. Among the 10 children was Toussaint de la Ronde, the great grandfather, of George LaRonde of the Sault.
Charles Francois, brother of the 2md Louis, had 9 children, but he had them before he got married. He left a will in Montreal that named his children as his heirs. But when he died, the children could not prove to the legal satisfaction of the court that they were actually the children of Charles Francois so his will was never probated. The un probated will of Charles Francois shows that his brother, Louis Denys, owed him money. Charles put in a claim in his will against Louis. This is important because it further establishes that the 2 men were brothers.
The estate of the first Louis had passed to his son; Pierre Francois Paul, from Pierre to his wife, who was the mother of Charles Francois and Louis II. The estate then passed to Charles Francois and Louis Denys. But when Charles Francois died in 1840 the estate no longer was passed down, because the court refused to recognize the 9 children

According to the book by Louis dates were 1675-1741(info from Dictionary of Canadian Biography, volume III). He was a Seigneur, Chevalier of St. Louis; commander of the French post at Chagouamigon (Ashland, Wisconsin, USA) sought to develop copper mines in the region, and to that end, built the first vessel on Lake Superior. With the British conquest of Quebec, the Canadian family sank into obscurity. Some departed for France and the land was in English hands by 1765 and some of the de Larondes in Lower Canada had to face penury all the same (info "Journals of Legislative Assembly, Province of Canada, 1857, index, p. 27, 47)

METIS CULTURE 1729-1732"
Louis Denis, Monsieur de LaRonde (1675-1741), Captain of Fort LaPointe (Wisconsin) built the first sailing vessel on Lake Superior at Sault Ste. Marie. It had a 40 ton burden and sailed between Sault Ste. Marie (Michigan) and Fort LaPointe (Madelaine Island, Wisconsin). It appears to have operated until being lost in 1763. Louis Denis also built a dock at LaPointe for his vessel. To his credit is the building of a mill and the importing of a number of horses to the area. Some contend the ship is not completed until 1735; still others suggest the first sailing is 1734.

Louis Denys was born in Quebec in 1675. His grandfather was Simon Denys (see Nicolas Denys biography) who had come to Acadian with Isaac de Razilly in 1632. His father was Pierre Denys de La Ronde who was a landowner and businessman. Pierre married the daughter of the governor of Throis Rivieres (Jacques Leneuf) Catherine.
Coming from such an influential family of New France, it will be no surprise to learn that Louis Denys (who came to be known as simply LaRonde) was shipped off to France for polishing. La Ronde was entered into the navy roll as a midshipman at Rochefort in 1687. As a very young naval officer, LaRonde was to accompany James II to Ireland in 1689. By 1692 LaRonde was back fighting in NOrth America in the cause of France. He was to accompany Iberville to both Hudson Bay and to the Mississippi. He worked the coast of New England for a number of years causing much trouble for the shipping in and out of Boston; and, thus became a hunted man. He was to be taken on the high seas as a prisoner of the English, both in 1695 and in 1704. Indeed, LaRonde was to spend considerable periods in Boston, both as a prisoner and too on various diplomatic missions; in the result, together with his earlier experiences in Ireland, LaRonde was able to get along in the English language betten than most of his fellow French officiers.
LaRonde was never to achieve high rank, likely because he was to run afoul his superiors a little too often. For example, in 1708, we see where Subercase was to complain of LaRonde`s insubordination. It would seem, though, that LaRonde was a good man to have by your side in a fight; he was to receive the Cross of Saint Louis in 1721.
In 1713, due to the Treaty of Utrecht, the international boundaries of North America were to be significantly altered. Acadia, for the most part, was given by France to England. The islands of Cape Breton (then to be named Ile Royale by the French) and Prince Edward Island (then known as Ile Sainte Jean) were, however, retained by the French as out-sentinels of its holdings up the St. Lawrence. The French authorities decided to establish a strong presence on Ile Royale, thus Louisbourg came into being. LaRonde was instrumental in the selection and the initial setup of Louisbourg. He likely came over with St. Ovide from Placentia on the Semslack in 1713. For a five year period 1715-20, LaRonde was to command the smaller fort at Port Toulouse (St. Peters). After this he was sent over to Ile St. Jean (PEI) to set up its fortifications, a move which, for some reason or other, he was not too happy about.
It would seem that throughout his career, LaRonde was to keep up his contacts at Quebec (his family had solid connections) It would appear that the authorities there arranged for LaRonde to go west. Thus, LaRonde, at some poing after 1720, leaves Acadia. By 1734, we see that he was involved in one of the first mining companies in North America along the Lake Superior (it was I believe, a failure).
LaRonde was to died at Quebec in 1741. He left a widow, Marie Louise Chartier and six children, three boys and three girls.

LaRonde Louis Denys de (1675-1741) midshipman, sub-lieutenant, lieutenant, Captain, Chevalier of Saint Louis. LaRonde, present village in the Departments of Charente and Deux-Sevres. Twelfth child of Pierre Denys, he was born in Quebec City on August 4, 1675. Appointed midshipman at Rochefort in 1687, he boarded the Saint Michel in 1689. As lieutenant he joined his brother in 1693 on the Suzanne. However in 1695 they were overtaken by a British fleet approaching the coast of France and taken to Ireland as prisoners. He was released in 1696. In 1703 on board the Seine after 17 hours of battle, they were taken to London as prisoners and released in 1705. In January 1714 he was given orders to deliver parcels to the Court of France. Unfortunately, he was shipwrecked in sight off the coast of Brittany, from there, he reach Versailles by stagecoach and was named commander of Port Toulouse. He served there until 1720 and was called back to Canada, but he didn't go. In 1724 he was named Chevalier of Saint Louis. Later he was sent to command Fort Chouamigon where he pacified the tribes and discovered a copper mine. Mr. LaRonde served as Captain in Canada until hid death in 1741. On July 20, 1709, in Quebec City, he had married Marie Louise Chartier of Lotbiniere who gave him 6 children, among them: Philippe; Marie Catherine; Pierre Francois Paul; Louise Marguerite; Charlotte Therese.

Louis was the brother of Simon Pierre called de Bonaventure. He was born at Quebec, August 4th, 1675 and was a marine guard at Rochefort in 1687. He was in several sea campaigns with his brother Simon Pierre and taken prisoner to England in 1695 was freed in 1696. He went to Iberville to Hudson s Bay and to the mouth of the Mississippi. He was wounded in 1702 and taken prisoner of the English in 1703. Named commander of the frigate La Biche. He headed a detachment at the attack on Port Royal, Acadia. Participated in the capture of St. Jean in 1709. He was taken to Boston by Coste belle in 1711 to negotiate a peace. He explored Cape Breton in 1713 and made a map of the country. Named commandant of Port Toulouse he left there in 1721 for Ile St. Jean becoming second in command. He was made a chevalier in 1724 later commanding the fort at Chouamegnon. He died in 1741 leaving six children.

The Sieur Denys de la Ronde, ensign in full, has just arrived from one of the Northern posts where he was in command (52). He has represented to me that 15 officers who were his juniors have been promoted over him, which is all the more unfortunate, since he was 14 years a cadet with Aiguillettes and 8 years a second Ensign. This reason, added to the good qualities of that officer, leads me to beg you, Monseigneur, to be pleased to grant him the Reversion of the first Lieutenancy that may become vacant. This factor seems to me all the more just because Madame de la Ronde is a poor widow
and has no other means of livelihood than the pay her children get in the King`s service.
I remain, with very profound respect, Monseigneur, Your very humble and very obedient servant...Laionquiere
If you accept the suggestion I had the honor to make you with reference to the Chavalier de Repentigny (54) you will be able, Monseigneur, to grant his lieutenancy to the Sieur de la Ronde.

Versailles, . Source same as preceding document but folio 28.
I have received your letters of the 2nd and 28th of October and the 7th of November last with the annexed documents.
I will reply by a private letter to your representations in favor of the widow of Monsieur Deschaillons and Sieur Pean. But his Majesty has not granted the request you also made to give the post of Chequamegon for three years longer to his widow of the Sieur de La Ronde. You cannot be unaware of the fact that her husband enjoyed it for a fairly long while. It was also afterwards granted to his widow for three years more, and it would be making it perpetual in that family to leave it there longer, an objectionable feature that must be avoided at all the posts. Thus his Majesty wished this one to be farmed out like the others to the person offering the best terms

LETTER Dated Mar. 6, 1748
By one of my letters of the first of this month, you will see that your request that the enjoyment of the post of Chagouamigon be extended for 3 years more in favor of Dame de La Ronde, has been refused. The King has nevertheless, taken into consideration the unfortunate situation in which I informed him that widow was placed, and his Majesty has been pleased to grant her for 3 years, count from the present one, one third of the revenue that may be derived from the farming of that post for her account. - Monsieur Hocquart will be good enough to pay this to her. His Majesty, however does not wish to propose anything beyond it
It is the memoirs of La Ronde and a statement of the services rendered to his Majesty by Monsieur La Ronde, Knight of the Royal and Military order of St. Louis, first Captain and Commandant of the troops of the detachment of Marine, from 1687 to 1739
This documents lists the years and the numerous ships that he was on at those times and also a diary like papers showing every year what he was up to. and also reference to the copper mines

INVENTORY OF LOUIS DENIS, SR. DE LA RONDE - by E. Bacon Vaughan, Genealogist, English/French
On the fifth day of October 1746, on the ninth hour of the morning, at the request of Dame Louise Chartier, widow of the late Louis Denis, Sr. De laRonde, Knight of Saint Louis (Military Order), captain of a company of troops of the navy, entertained for the service of the King in this country, as much for her name as for the community of goods that have between her and her late husband, the said Louis Denis, as for the name and as guardina of her minor children born of her marriage with the late Sieur de laRonde elected to that charge by act given by provostship of this city of Quebec, on the third day of August, 1746, and in the presence of Monsieur Charles Paul Denis, Esquire, Sr de St.Simon, provost of our Lords the marshals of France, deputy guardian of the said minor children, also elected to this charge by the same act, and in presence of Monsieur the solictor of His Majesty, here called for the interest of absentees, has been made by us, Jacques Pinquet, royal notary in the provostship of Quebec, living here and undersigned, proceeded with the inventory and description of goods, furniture and personal proprties, active and passive debts, monies, titles, papers and instructions depending of the community that has been between the said late Sieur de la Ronde and the said Dame Chartier, shown an declared by the said Dame Chartier in her house and residence located in this city on Saint Louis Street, where we are, and after goods abscounding nor concealing any, which goods, furniture and such have been estimate and valued by Pierre Pilote, balliff at the Conseil Superieur of that country, ordinary appreaiser and seller of goods in justice, which estimation and valuation has been made in the presence of the said Dame Chartier, the Sieur de S-Simon, the Solictor of his Majesty, balliff and myself, signed, after due reading
..signed L. Chartier de Laronde; Denis de St. Simon; Pilotte; Bellevue; Heni Hiche; Maufait; Pinguet Not. First in the kitchen has been found (all kinds of different things all valued to the amount of 200 pounds) Then, the noon time having arrived, the continuation is postponed to 2 0`clock in the afternoon and they all signed (as above). Then at 2 o`clock in the afternoon, they proceeded to the continuation of the inventory.
-- In the hall, furniture to the value of 123 pounds -- in the cabinet near the hall, furniture estimate and valued at 179 pounds. In another cabinet, furniture, linen, etc. estimated at 140 pounds..in the garret, a very few things valued at 15 pounds..in a trunk, linen of value, estimated at 1,206 pounds. Then being five o`clock, the continuation is postponed to the day after, for nine o`clock in the morning, and they all signed (as above) And on the sixth day of October of the said year, around nine o`clock in the morning, at the request and in presence of the same persons, has been, by us, Notary, proceeded to the continuation of the above inventory..in a small cabinet near the room, mnay small pieces of iron, silver, wood and linen estimated and valued at 829 pounds
ACTIVE debts: nil
PASSIVE debts; due by the said community to Dame Elisabeth de Chavigny, widow of Sieur Etienne Landron, in the name of Monsieur Dauteuil, the amount of 950/0/0 pounds. Due to Monsieur St-Ange Charly by a statement delivered November ninth, 1745; exception made of the bill concerning the exploitation of the Chagomaigon post, the amount of 16,308/18/6 pounds. Plus a bill for merchandises sent to La Pointe of Chagoamigon by Sieur St. Ange Charly for the said Madam de Laronde, which bill was for 45,088 pounds, 14, sold, 11 deniers, less the amount of 29,842 pounds, 13 sols and 6 deniers to him given by Madam de Laronde so that the present amount is 15,246/1/5 pounds. Another bill from the Sieur St. Ange Charly dated the eighteenth day of October, 1745 for 98/6/6 pounds. Due to the General Hospital for the dowry of Mademoiselle Catherine Laronde 3,000/0/0 pounds.
Contract of marriage between Louis Denis, Esquire, Sieur de Laronde and Demoiselle Louise Chartier, in which they are one and common in all the goods, the woman favoured with 10,000 pounds, the preference legacy being of 5,000 pounds, with her jewels and ornaments, dresses, bed and full room, plus the faculty of renouncing to the community, the said contract passed before M.Adehar, notary, on the 10th day of Janaury, 1714. Due to Monsieur Brouage the amount of 2,423/16/9 pounds. And having no more things to put in this inventory, we have completed it this very day, in the presence of the persons above named, the said Dame de Laronde saying that all has been done according to her rights and that she does not know yet if she accepts or not the succession. All the above effects and papers, with the consent of the deputy-guardian, are under the guard of the said Lady who promises to represent them every time she has to, with her promise to declare any other estate that has might have been forgotton, and so, after a due reading, the same Dame de Laronde, widow and guardian, the deputy guardian, the solicitor of his Majesty, the witnesses, the baliff and I, said notary, have signed thus, that 6th day of October 1746 at the first hour in the afternoon...signed as above.

LETTER WRITTEN BY FRONTENAC - 15th October 1691-Archives Quebec 1927-28
The Sieur Denys de Laronde, member of the Marine unit of the Sieur Bonnaventure, under whom he has served for 4-5 years, with good reports from all the captains he has served under. He is a member of a most extensive family of this country and if you are able to do something for his advancement I will be especially and acutely obliged to.

Denys de LaRonde, Louis (he signed LaRonde Denys) officer in the navy and in the colonial regular troops: 1. 2 Aug. 1675 at Quebec, son of Pierre Denys de LaRonde and Catherine Leneuf de LaPoterie and his first cousin of Louise Elizabeth Joybert, wife of the governor general of New France; Philippe de Rigaud de Vaudreuil; had three sons and three daughters, buried 25 March 1741 at Quebec.

The memories of Louis as set out in the book "French Regime in Wisconsin' who commence the Memoir on pages 299-305; 309-314, reference 1739. Memoire of LaRonde and advises that the original manuscript is in the Archives of the Ministere des Colonies, Paris; press-mark, "Canada, correspondence, general, volume 65, c11, got 173" the full text reads as follows....
"Statement of the services rendered to his Majesty by Monsieur de La Ronde Denis, Knight of the Royal and Militray order of St. Louis, first Captain and Commandant of the troops of the Detachment of Marine, from 1687 to the year 1739"

LaRonde (Louis Denys de) 1675-1741, midshipman, sub-lieutenant, lieutenant, captain, chevalier of Saint Louis - LaRonde, present village in the Deaprtments of Charente and Deux Sevres.
Twelfth child of Pierre Denys, he was born in Quebec city on August 3, 1675. Appointed midshipman at Rochefort in 1687, he boarded the Saint Michel in 1689, flagship of squadron commander Mr. de Gabaret who escorted King James to Ireland and was present at the battle of Bantry. In 1690 he was on board the Courageux, commaned by Mr. de Sevigny-Montmoron who entered into battle in the Channel. In 1691, he served as sub-lieutenant on the Envieux, under the command of his brother, de Bonaventure, cruising along the coast of New England.
As lieutenant, he joined his brother the following year on board the Suzanne, in the water off Acadia. In 1694 Admiral Du Quesne took him on the Entendu, sailing on the Mediterranean where he witnessed the takings of Palamos and Gironne. In 1695 Mr. de Bonaventure took him on board the Envieux making for Acadia, capturing an English frigate out at sea. In Plaisance, Newfoundland, Mr. de Belair, captain of the Fourbe, took him into his service after having lost his lieutenant, Du Breuil; during the journey, a 16 gun English frigate was seized and handed over to the lieutenant by the French captain. However, they were overtaken by a British fleet approaching the coast of France and taken to Ireland as prisoners. Released in 1696, he served on the Wesp in 1697 under the command of the chevalier de Chastrier as part of d`Iberville`s fleet sailing to Hudsons Bay where he served as lieutenant. In 1698 he boarded the Envieux, cruising along the Acadian coast as sub-lieutenant. In 1699, he was on board the NewPort with Mr. de Courbon Saint-Leger, fighting the pirates; he served as sub-lieutenant and had command of the vessel by order of the King because of his perfect knowledge of the Acadian coast. In 1700, he was sub-lieutenant on board the Renomee and escored Mr.

Private User
3/2/2016 at 2:52 PM

Genetically I matched a
Lorraine Margaret Desrochers
Total CentiMorgans (cM): 38.51359
Shared DNA Segments: 14
Predicted Relationship:
Variance Range:
5th Cousin - Remote Cousin

I had taken my autosomal dna and matched with her

Private User
3/2/2016 at 5:33 PM

I have Metis relative my 3rd grt aunt Julie Delaronde b 1807 married Pierre Boucher b 1798,my 3rd grt Aunt Marie Louis Delaronde b 1800 married Joseph Augustine Demarais b 1786 and my rd grt aunt Elizabeth Agathe Delaronde b 1808 married Hyacinthe Lalonde b 1802

4/14/2016 at 1:12 PM

Earlier today the Supreme Court of Canada released its judgement in Daniels v Canada. Click the following link to view the judgement. http://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-…/scc-csc/…/15858/1/document.do
Métis Nation of Ontario (MNO) President Gary Lipinski stated: “This is a significant victory for the Métis Nation. It will facilitate reconciliation between Canada and Métis communities from Ontario westward.”
He added: “While this judgement removes the barriers that have stood in the way of reconciliation with the Métis it is critical that the federal government not delay and move quickly to the negotiating table with Métis governments. Currently Métis people do not receive access to whole series of programs and benefits that are available to First Nations and Inuit people. These include funding for postsecondary education, uninsured health benefits and many others. Exclusion from these programs has an impact on the daily lives of Métis people who are often the most improvised of Indigenous peoples.”
President Lipinski also stressed the importance of establishing a land claims process for the Métis Nation. “Starting negotiations immediately on land claims is essential to deal with the historic grievance of the Métis Nation. We can no longer be a landless people in our own country.”
The following are the key elements in the judgement:
Declaration #1
A declaration that Métis and Non-Status Indians are within the term “Indians” in Section 91(24) is issued. (para. 58)
The declaration has practical utility to end the “jurisdictional tug-of-war” (para. 15). The Court acknowledged that the current situation has left Métis and non-status Indian communities in a “jurisdictional wasteland” so an answer to the question is necessary (para. 13). An answer to the question will allow these groups to hold government “accountable for the inadequate status quo” and “guarantee both certainty and accountability” (para. 15)
Section 91(24) is about the federal governments relationship with all of Canada’s Aboriginal peoples—this includes the Métis and Non-Status Indians (para. 49). Section 91(24) and s. 35 should be read together in order to advance reconciliation.
Constitutional changes, apologies for historic wrongs and appreciation of Aboriginal peoples as partners in Confederation all indicate that reconciliation with all of Canada’s Aboriginal peoples is Parliaments goal (para 37).
There is no doubt that the Métis are a distinct people (para. 42). No need to delineate between which mixed ancestry communities are Métis and which are non status—they are both “Indians” within s. 91(24) (para. 46) Whether a community is non-status Indian and Métis will be worked out on a case-by-case basis. (para. 47)
Section 91(24) has a different purpose that s. 35. Section 91(24) is about the federal governments relationship with Canada’s Aboriginal peoples. Section 35 deals with the recognition and affirmation or rights and claims. (para. 49).
The Court goes out of its way to note that Métis and Non-Status Indian inclusion in s. 91(24) does not mean that all provincial legislation with respect to these groups are ultra vires (i.e., outside of the authority of provincial legislatures). This means that the Alberta Métis Settlements legislation is not problematic or inconsistent with Métis inclusion in s. 91(24).
Declaration #2
The Crown is in a fiduciary relationship with all Aboriginal peoples, including, the Métis and Non-Status Indians. Delgamuukw and MMF already recognize that this fiduciary relationship based on Indigenous pre-existence. As such, granting the third declaration would be redundant. (paras. 43, 53)
Declaration #3
There is already a Crown duty to negotiate with Métis and Non-Status Indian communities recognized in law. Haida, Tsilquotin and Powley already recognize a context specific duty to negotiate when Aboriginal rights are engaged. As such, granting the third declaration would be redundant. (para 56)
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Private User
4/14/2016 at 2:22 PM

This is a grt day in history and i am so happy for the Metis Nations they should have been recognized decades ago native women were punished for marring white men and their children were taken away and sent to residential school

4/19/2016 at 12:14 PM

Judy are we considered metis? as my mom was Mohawk and father French
Not entirely clear about how this works Delores

Private User
4/20/2016 at 4:57 AM

We are "not " Metis we have are Indian Status card my grandchildren have their Indian Status cards the Metis have a different card we are registered with the Kahnawake Band in Que

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