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Ales Dalton, of Althorp

Also Known As: "Alice"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Althorp, Northamptonshire, England
Death: Died
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Richard Dalton and Katherine Venables
Wife of Gwilym Fychan ap Gwilym
Mother of Sir William Griffith, Chamberlain of North Wales; Richard Griffith and Jonet Salisbury

Managed by: Carole (Erickson) Pomeroy,Vol. C...
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About Ales (Alice) Dalton, of Althorp

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  • Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ... By Douglas Richardson
  • http://books.google.com/books?id=kjme027UeagC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Plantagenet+ancestry&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U8VLUYTME-boiALhroHwBw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Dalton&f=false
  • Pg. 595
  • 15. JOAN TROUTBECK, born in 1459. She married (1st) WILLIAM BOTELER, Knt., 2nd but eldest son and heir of John Boteler, Knt., of Bewsey (in Warrington), Burtonwood, Great Sankey, etc., Lancashire, by his 1st wife, Margaret, daughter of Peter Gerard. he was born 25 Nov. 1450. They had no issue. SIR WILLIAM BOTELER died 8 Jun 1471. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) (as his 1st wife) WILLIAM GRIFFITH, K.G., of Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Marshal of the King's Hall, Chamberlain of North Wales, son of Gwilym Fychan ap Gwilym (otherwise know as William Griffith), Marshal of the King's Hall, deputy of various Chamberlains of North Wales, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter of Richard Dalton, Knt. He was born about 1447. They had one son, William, Knt., and three daughters, Jane (wife of William Herbert, Knt.), Margaret (wife of Nicholas Dutton, Knt., and Simon Thelwall), and Ann (wife of __ Winnington). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH GREY, daughter of Robert Grey, Esq., Constable of Ruthin Castle. They had one son, William Grey, and one daughter, Alice (wife of Pierce Vychan, of Coetmor). SIR WILLIAM GRIFFITH died in 1505 or 1506.

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  • Joan (Jane) TROUTBECK
  • Born: ABT 1459, Mobberley, Cheshire, England
  • Notes: The Griffiths of Penrhyn were one of the most powerful families in North Wales at the time and were a branch of the Tudor family descended from Ednyfed Fychan (d. 1246) and the Welsh royal and princely houses. The half-sister of Sir William (according to some pedigrees, but possibly his daughter), Agnes Griffith (d. 1542), married Sir Roland de Velville.
  • Father: William TROUTBECK of Dunham (Sir Knight)
  • Mother: Margaret STANLEY (B. Grey of Codnor)
  • Married: William GRIFFITH of Penhryn (Sir Knight) (son of William Griffith and Alice Dalton) ABT 1475, Penrhyn, Carnaervonshire, Wales
  • Children:
    • 1. William GRIFFITH of Penrhyn (b. ABT 1476) (m.1 Jane Stradling - m.2 Jane Pulleston)
    • 2. Edmund GRIFFITH
    • 3. Alice GRIFFITH
    • 4. Jane GRIFFITH (b. ABT 1505)
  • From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/TROUTBECK.htm#Joan (Jane) TROUTBECK1

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  • Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ...
  • https://books.google.com/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=RA1-PA448&lpg=RA1-PA448&dq=dorothy+hilton+1563&source=bl&ots=kvmDGXPP73&sig=_tEATIE3oPQx2W9Gas-zL6t5j8c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju9suQ1vfJAhVJ2GMKHbOBBcs4FBDoAQgzMAY#v=onepage&q=DALTON&f=false
  • Pg.559
  • 12. JOAN TROUTBECK, born in 1459. She married (1st) WILLIAM BOTELER, Knt., 2nd but eldest son and heir of John Boteler, Knt., of Bewsey (in Warrington), Burtonwood, Great Sankey, etc., Lancashire, by his 1st wife, Margaret, daughter of Peter Gerard. He was born 25 Nov. 1450. They had no issue. SIR WILLIAM BOTELER died 8 June 1471. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) (as his 1st wife) WILLIAM GRIFFITH, K.B., of Penrhyn,Caernarvonshire, Marshal of the King's Hall, Chamberlain of North Wales, son of Gwilyn Fychan ap Gwilym (otherwise know as William Griffith), Marshal of the King's Hall, deputy to various Chamberlains of North Wales, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter of Richard Dalton, Knt. He was born about 1447. They had one son, William, Knt., and three daughters, Jane (wife of William Herbert, Knt.), Margaret (wife of Nicholas Dutton, Knt., and Simon Thelwall), and Ann (wife of ——Winnington). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH GREY, daughter of Robert Grey, Esq., Constable of Ruthin Castle. They had one son, William Grey, and one daughter, Alice .... etc.

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  • OTHER REFERENCES HAVE DIFFERENT MOTHER FOR ALICE DALTON
  • Alice Dalton1,2
  • F, #90658, b. circa 1424
  • Father Sir Richard Dalton1,2 b. c 1390
  • Mother Isabel Stanley3
  • Alice Dalton was born circa 1424 at of Althorp, Northamptonshire, England.1 She married William Fychan ap Gwilym, (?) Deputy Chamberlain of North Wales, son of Sir Gwilym Griffeth and Janet Stanley, circa 1444.1,2
  • Family William Fychan ap Gwilym, (?) Deputy Chamberlain of North Wales b. c 1420
  • Child
    • Sir William Griffith, Chamberlain of North Wales+1,2 b. c 1447, d. 1505 or 1506
  • Citations
  • 1.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 243.
  • 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 559.
  • 3.[S61] Unknown author, Family Group Sheets, Family History Archives, SLC.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p3018.htm#i90658

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  • OTHER REFERENCES HAVE DIFFERENT MOTHER FOR ALICE DALTON
  • Father: Richard DALTON b: ABT 1390 in Bispham, Lancaster. England
  • Mother: " a daughter of Lord Clifford " [Reifsnyder-Gillam Ancestry, pp 57-58]
  • Marriage 1 Gwilym Fychan ap GWILYM 1st Chamberlain of Wales b: ABT 1415 in Penrhyn, Carnarvenshire, Wales
  • Children
  1. William GRIFFITH b: ABT 1445 in Penrhyn, Carnarvenshire, Wales
  2. Jonet GRIFFITH b: ABT 1460 in Penrhyn, Carnarvenshire, Wales

Sources:

  • Welsh Biography Online http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/index.html
    • He m., before 1447, Ales, daughter and heiress of Sir Richard Dalton of Apthorp, Northants.; the marriage almost certainly reflects the Stanley connection, for Ales Dalton was grand-daughter by her second marriage of Isabel de Pilkington whose daughter by Thomas de Lathom, her first husband, brought Lathom and Knowsley to the Stanleys. (Dwnn, Visitations, ii, 155; Penrhyn MSS. 1-4, 7-9, 13; G.E.C., Complete Peerage, iv, 205 n. c.; D.N.B., liv., 75.)
  • William Flower, Charles Best Norcliffe, College of Arms (Great Britain), The Visitations of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564: Made by William Flower, Esquire, Norroy, Page: 86
    • Text: Ales doter p of Sir Rychard Dalton William Gryffyth of Penryn in Car marthenshyre

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  • Bangor University
  • Penrhyn Castle Papers
  • .... etc.
  • Between 1431 and 1531, the son, grandson and great-grandson of Gwilym ap Griffith held the Penrhyn estate and added to it. They succeeded in allying themselves with prominent English houses, especially the Stanleys, which began with the marriage of Gwilym ap Griffith with Joan Stanley of Hooton. Gwilym Fychan, the son of that marriage, married before 1447, Ales daughter and heiress of Sir Richard Dalton of Althorp, Northants. The marriage reflects the Stanley connection, as Ales Dalton was the granddaughter of Isabel de Pilkington by her second marriage, whose daughter by Thomas de Lathom, her first husband, brought Lathom and Knowsley to the Stanleys. Gwilym Fychan married secondly, Gwenllian, daughter of Iorwerth ap David. Robert, his eldest son by this marriage, was the ancestor of the family of Griffith of Plas Newydd, Anglesey, and Llanfair-is-gaer, Caernarvonshire. Edmund the second son founded the estate of Carreg-lwyd, Anglesey. His son and heir from his first marriage was William Griffith (ca.1445-1505/6). He is not always easy to distinguish in the documents from his father. He married firstly Joan Troutbeck, widow of Sir William Butler of Bewsey, Cheshire, whose mother was Margaret, daughter of Sir Thomas Stanley, first Baron Stanley.
  • From: http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?inst_id=39&coll_id=10875&expand=

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  • 'Dalton01'
  • Sir Richard Dalton of Bypsam, Lancashire
    • 1. Sir Robert Dalton
    • m. _Latham (dau of Sir Thomas Latham)
      • A. Sir John Dalton
      • m. _ Hussey (dau of Sir Henry Hussey)
        • i. Sir John Dalton
        • m. _ Pilkington (dau of Sir Richard Pylkyngton)
          • a. Sir Richard Dalton 'of Apethorpe'
          • m. Katherine Venables (dau of Sir Thomas Venables)
            • (1) Ales Dalton
            • m. William Gryffyth of Penryn
            • (2)+ other daughters
          • b. Robert Dalton of Bispayne
          • m. Margaret
            • (1) Richard Dalton of Croston
            • m. _ Fleming (dau of Sir William Fleming of Wath, Yorkshire)
              • (A) Roger Dalton of Dalton Hall
              • m1. _ Ratclyff (dau of Sir John Ratclyff of Lancashire)
                • (i) William Dalton of Bispam
                • m1. Margaret Terboke (dau of Sir William Terboke of Terboke Hall)
                  • (a) Margery Dalton (dsp)
                  • m1. _ Wenloke
                  • m2. Gylbert Moreton
                  • (b)+ other issue (dsp) - Robert, Roger, Jane, 8 others
                • m2. Jane (natural daughter of Sir John Towneley of Lancashire)
                  • (m) Robert Dalton of Bispham, Pillin and Thurnham (dsp 1580)
                  • m. Anne Kechyn (dau of John Kechyn)
                  • Visitation ends with this generation, identifying Robert as "of Thurnham". This is presumed to be the Robert who is the first mentioned by Commoners, being described therein as "of Bishpam and Pilling, who acquired by purchase, in 1556, the manor and estate of Thurnham" and who was succeeeded by his nephew.
                  • (n) Thomas Dalton
                  • m. Anne Molyneux (dau of Sir Richard Molyneux of Sefton)
                    • ((1)) Robert Dalton of Thurnham (d 1626)
                    • This is probably the Robert who married Elizabeth Hulton.
                      • ((A)) Thomas Dalton of Thurnham (d after Newbury 1643)
                        • ((i)) Robert Dalton of Thurnham
                        • m. Elizabeth Horner (dau of Thomas Horner of Middleham)
                          • ((a)) Elizabeth Dalton of Thurnham (d 1710)
                          • m. William Hoghton of Park Hall
                          • Their eldest son inherited Thurnham and took the name Dalton.
                          • ((b)) Dorothy Dalton of Faton and Aldcliffe who apparently married ...
                          • m. Edward Riddell of Swinburne Castle (b 1660, d 1731)
                  • (o) Anne Dalton
                  • m. _ Westmer
                  • (p)+ other issue - Roger, Richard
                • (ii) Roger Dalton (dsp)
                • (iii) Sybell Dalton
                • m. William Wolberd Draper
                  • (a)+ issue (dsp)
              • m2. (sp) _ Standyche
              • m3. (sp) _ Farnygton
              • m4. Jane Jakes (dau of Roger Jakes of Barkemsted and Mawde Shordyche)
                • (iv) Larence Dalton (d 1561)
                • m. Anne Breme (dau of Richard Breme of London)
                • (v) Margaret Dalton
                • m1/2. Richard Fawley of London (fishmonger)
                  • (a)+ issue - Walter, Dorothy
                • m2/1. Thomas Weston of London (taylor)
                  • (c) Jane Weston
                  • m. Andro Roo of London (fat maker)
                  • (d) Margaret Weston
                  • m. Nicholas Collet of London (shoemaker)
                • (vi) Anne Dalton
                • m. Thomas Baker of Barkensted
                  • (a)+ issue - Astwyn, Raff, Ales, Ellyn, Cyssely
                • (vii) Elsabeth Dalton
                • m. Francis Colbarne
                  • (a)+ issue - Jane, Elsabeth
                • (viii) Jane Dalton
                • m1. Richard Not of London ("ale bruer")
                • m2. Robert Vady
                • (ix)+ other issue (dsp) - Henry, Thomas, Thomas, Richard, 3 others
              • (B) Ellen Dalton
            • (2) William Dalton
            • m. Elsabeth Beaconsall of Lancashire
              • (A) Richard Dalton (priest)
              • (B) Anne Dalton
              • m. Seth Worsley of Croston
                • (i)+ issue - John, Anne
            • (3) John Dalton
    • 2. Sir John Dalton
      • A. Sir Peter Dalton
        • i. John Dalton
          • a. Thomas Dalton
          • m. _ Pickering (dau of Sir William Pykerynge)
            • (1) Edmond Dalton
            • m. Katherine Hastynges (dau of Sir Roger Hastynges of Roseby)
              • (A) Edmond Dalton
              • m1. Betryce Leyton (dau of _ Leyton of Sprodeston)
                • (i)+ issue - John (dsp), Jane
              • m2. Elsabeth Cathrall (dau of Awsten Cathrall of Craven)
                • (iii) Roger Dalton of Kykrby Mysperton, Yorkshire
                • m1. Agnes Whalley (dau of Cristopher Whalley of Aley)
                  • (a) Elizabeth Dalton
                • m2. Ales Wood (dau of Gyles Wood of Pyckeryng Lyth)
                  • (b) Edmond Dalton (dsp, Abbot of St. Mary's, York)
                  • (c) Jane Dalton
                  • m. Ralph Atton of Stoke
                • m3. Anne Swynborne (dau of William Swynborne of Capheton)
                  • (d)+ other issue - Roger, Francis (had issue), ISabel, Frances, Anne, Barbara, Mary, Dorothy
                • (iv) Elsabeth Dalton
                • m. Batholomew Paslew
                • (v)+ other issue (dsp) - Edmond, William, Walter, Christopher, Richard, Agnes, Katherine, Maud
              • (B) William Dalton
            • (2) William Dalton
  • Main source(s): Visitation (Yorkshire, 1563-4, Dalton), Commoners (vol i, Dalton of Thurnham)
  • From: Stirnet.com
  • http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/dd/dalton01.php

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1428
1428
Althorp, Northamptonshire, England
1440
1440
Age 12
Penrhyn Castle, Caernarvonshire, Wales, (Present UK)
1455
1455
Age 27
Walton, Pembrokeshire, Wales
1455
Age 27
Penrhyn, Llandegai, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1483
1483
Age 55