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Cecile Fraser

Also Known As: "Cecily", "Cecil"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Touch Fraser, Stirlingshire, Scotland (United Kingdom)
Death: before 1245
probably Scotland
Immediate Family:

Daughter of John Fraser
Wife of Patrick lll de Dunbar, 6th/7th Earl of Dunbar
Mother of Patrick IV Dunbar, 7th/8th Earl of Dunbar, Earl of March; Sir Alexander de Dunbar of Swinwood; John Dunbar; Cecilia de Dunbar and Agnes Dunbar

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About Cecile Fraser

Seen as wife of John Fraser. It is said that is wrong.

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Family

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#PatrickDunb...

PATRICK de Dunbar, son of PATRICK Earl of Dunbar & his wife Eupheme ([1213][1594]-Whittingham 24 Aug 1289, bur Dunbar).

m (1242) CECILIA, daughter of JOHN --- & his wife ---. "Patricius comes de Dunbar" donated "terram in villa…de Laynal" to Coldstream, for the soul of "Cecilie sponse nostre", by undated charter, signed by "Dominis Patricio, Johanne et Alexandro filiis nostris…"[1600]. Her parentage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1289] under which her son "Patrici miles filius et heres dni Patricii comitis de Dunbar et Cecilie filie Johannis" confirmed donations to the monastery of Kelso[1601]. MacEwen suggests that Cecilia’s parents were John FitzRobert of Warkworth, co. Northumberland & his wife Ada de Baliol[1602]. His article has not yet been consulted so the basis of his reasoning is not known.

Earl Patrick & his wife had [four] children:

  • 1. PATRICK de Dunbar ([1242]-10 Oct 1308). "Patricius comes de Dunbar" ... m (1282 or before) MARJORY Comyn, daughter of ALEXANDER Comyn Earl of Buchan & his wife Elizabeth de Quincy of Winchester. Andrew Wyntoun’s Cronykil records that "Jhon and Alysandyre" had five sisters, the eldest of which married "Erle Patryke" by whom she had "Patryk, that Erle wes efftyr"[1607]. She was forced to surrender the castle of Dunbar to Edward I King of England 29 Apr 1296.
  • 2. JOHN de Dunbar . "Patricius comes de Dunbar" donated "terram in villa…de Laynal" to Coldstream, for the soul of "Cecilie sponse nostre", by undated charter, signed by "Dominis Patricio, Johanne et Alexandro filiis nostris…"[1622]. "Dñis Johanne filio comitis…Adam de Gordon…" witnessed the undated charter under which "Patricius de Dunbar comes Marchie" confirmed his predecessors’ donations to Melrose abbey[1623].
  • 3. ALEXANDER de Dunbar . "Patricius comes de Dunbar" donated "terram in villa…de Laynal" to Coldstream, for the soul of "Cecilie sponse nostre", by undated charter, signed by "Dominis Patricio, Johanne et Alexandro filiis nostris…"[1624].
  • 4. [CECILIA de Dunbar (-before 1278). Symson records that James Stewart married "Cecilia daughter to Patrick Earl of Dunbar…the first of that family who quitted that title and assumed that of March", adding that Cecilia was the mother of James’s children. without citing the corresponding primary source[1625]. Andrew McEwen indicates that "no documentary evidence has been found" to support this statement, but adds that "though hardly free from error, Symson’s work is always deserving of respect", and highlights that "it is highly unlikely that Muriel of Strathearn, whom he married in 1278, was James’s first wife"[1626]. m [as his first wife,] JAMES Stewart High Steward of Scotland, son of ALEXANDER Stewart High Steward of Scotland & his wife Jean [of Bute] ([1243]-16 Jul 1309).]

Disputed identity

Cecil Fraser is the daughter of John Fraser.1 She married Patrick de Dunbar, 6th Earl of Dunbar, son of Patrick de Dunbar, 5th Earl of Dunbar and Euphemia Stewart, in 1242.2

Children of Cecil Fraser and Patrick de Dunbar, 6th Earl of Dunbar

  • Cecilia de Dunbar3
  • Patrick de Dunbar, 7th Earl of Dunbar+1 b. c 1242, d. 10 Oct 1308

Citations

  1. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume IV, page 506. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
  2. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1207. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
  3. [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume IV, page 507.

MacEwen, Andrew. A Clarification of the Dunbar Pedigree. The Genealogist, 9(2) 1988: PDF shows the wife of Patrick lll de Dunbar, 6th/7th Earl of Dunbar was Cecilia, daughter of John fitz Robert, sister of Roger FitzJohn of Warkworth, and therefore double sister in law of Isabel de Dunbar


Sources 1.[S265] Colquoun_Cunningham.ged, Jamie Vans

2.[S289] Betty and Dick Field's Family History, Richard Field

3.[S299] David Douglas, Douglas, Sir Robert, (David Douglas)

4.[S280] Stirnet Genealogy, Peter Barns-Graham, Dunbar01 (Reliability: 3

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Cecile Fraser's Timeline

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Dunbar Castle, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland (United Kingdom)
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Dunbar Castle, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland
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probably Scotland
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Dunbar Castle, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland
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Dunbar Castle, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland
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Touch Fraser, Stirlingshire, Scotland (United Kingdom)