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Dorathea Scheidemantel (Koppitz)

Also Known As: "Grossie"
Birthplace: Germany
Death: January 02, 1929 (84)
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Place of Burial: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Immediate Family:

Daughter of John Koppitz and Katherine Koppitz
Wife of Michael Scheidemantel and Johannes (John) S. Scheidemantel
Mother of Anna Eva Reinheimer; Emelia Catherine Bradney; Elizabeth Scheidemantel; George Albert Scheidemantel; Leda A. Walter and 4 others
Sister of Katharina Scheidemantel

Occupation: Saloonkeeper, Her 2nd huband was Johannes (John S.) Scheidemantel, Her 1st marriage is to Micheal Scheidemantel
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About Dorathea Scheidemantel

I believe she was born 1851 not 1852. John's first wife was born in 1844.

Mrs. Dorathea Koppitz Scheidemantel (same last name) was the second wife of John S. Scheidemantel. She was affectionately known as "Grossie" and was born on August 16, 1851. Dorathea and John were married on Sept. 11, 1906, "Grossie" being 55 years of age at the time and had been a widow for 18 years., John was 63 years of age and had been a widower for a little less than two years.

Michael Scheidemantel , Dorathea's first husband , was not related to John Scheidemantel. Michael married Dorathea Koppits on Feb. 18, 1868, and they became parents of 8 children. Michael and Dorathea owned and operated the Scheidemantel Saloon at 2630 Carson Street , in the South side of Pittsburgh.

Michael died on March 5, 1888 and "Grossie" continued to run the saloon, and in 1891 Charley Scheidemantel, son of John S. Scheidemantel, applied and received a job as bartender. Later Charley married one of "Grossies's " daughters, (Margaretta Elizabeth) and for awhile managed the salon.

Sometime later, Dorathea's son-in-law Charley Scheidemante, found other employment and sometime later, "Grossie" sold the saloon and bought property on Sarah Street in Pittsburgh. Her oldest daughter, Annie, who was epileptic, was married and lived at Lucyville, about 50 miles south of Pittsburgh. "Grossie" appearently made her home with her daughter and husband, Jake Reinheimer, so she could help look after their children, should Annie have a seizure. Jake Reinheimer was chief engineer for the Moose Brewery.

John S. Scheidemantel visited "Grossie" at the Reinheimer home and was welcomed as a friend and as Lizzie's (Margaretta Elizabeth) father-in-law. John seemingly made a number of future visits. "Grossie" would periodically come to Pittsburgh on business and stay over night at her Daughter Lizzie and Charley Scheidemnatel's home. On occasion, John would take advantage of these visits and also appear. On one of her visits at Lizzie's and Charley's, "Grossie" suddenly announced that John would also be there that night. The following day, she and John went into Pittsburgh and returned as husband and wife.

Following the wedding, John brought his wife to his Crescent Av. home in Ellwood City, John's children resented seeing their mother's home being taken over by a step-mother. (Emma, Ferd and Walter were still living at home and they all found other living quarters, leaving only Lewis Scheidemantel, and orphaned grandson, still at home. John and Grossie raised Lewis to maturity.

In 1919 they were forced to give up their home on Crescent Ave. due to financial problems and bought a smaller house on Franklin Ave. in Ellwood City. After making various settlements following the sale of the Crescent Av. home, only sufficient funds were left to make a down payment on the Franklin Ave. property. Grossie used some of her money she received from the sale of her property in Pittsburgh to complete the purchase and the new home was put in her name. Several of the Reinheimer children (her grand-children to her first husband) were living in Ellwood City, and frequently visited and would stay for brief periods of time with them. Later on, Carrie Reinheimer, one of these grand-children came and made her home with them, and took care of them until their death.

John S. Scheidemantel, her second husband, died on July 8, 1927, and she and her grand daughter continued to make their homes together. Dorathea Scheidemantel died on January 2, 1929 at the age of 77 years, 4 months and 17 days. She was buried in the Zimmerman Cemetary in Carrick, Pittsburgh, alongside her first husband, Michael Scheidemantel. Compiled January 17, 1966 - by H.O.R. (Harold Rogers)


1880 U.S. Census

Name: Dorothea Scheidemantel

Residence: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

Birth date: 1852

Birth place: Pennsylvania, United States

Relationship to head-of-household: Wife

Spouse name: Michl Scheidemantel

Spouse birth place: Germany

Father name:

Father birth place: Austria

Mother name:

Mother birth place: Germany

Race or color (expanded): White

Ethnicity: American

Gender: Female

Marital status: Married

Age: 28 years

Occupation: Keeping House

NARA film number: T9-1094

Page: 106

Page letter: D

Entry number: 2793

Film number: 1255094

Collection: 1880 United States Census



Children at that time:

Annie (aka Anna Eva)

Elizabeth(aka Emelia Catherine)

Mary (aka Margaret Elizabeth)

George Albert

Leda A.



1. SCHEIDEMANTEL Anna Eva, b. 24 Aug 1868 

2. SCHEIDEMANTEL Emelia Catherine, b. 26 Aug 1870

3. SCHEIDEMANTEL Margaret Elizabeth, b. 29 May 1873

 4. SCHEIDEMANTEL George Albert, b. 8 Feb 1875 

5. SCHEIDEMANTEL Leda A., b. 8 Jan 1877

6. SCHEIDEMANTEL Bertha, b. 1 Oct 1879

 7. SCHEIDEMANTEL Ernest M., b. 3 Feb 1883 

8. SCHEIDEMANTEL Carl Hilbert, b. 2 Apr 1885

Dorothea is on this Genealogy tree twice. You will have to search her name above then hit go.

Micheal and Johannes are not related within generations.


This webpage is the property of

Norman J. Meinert

O'Hara Township, Allegheny County, PA

and is presented here freely as a courtesy to family historians and genealogists.

Birmingham Cemetery

(a/k/a Zimmerman Cemetery, a/k/a Lorch's Cemetery,

a/k/a German United Protestant Evangelical Cemetery)

2511 Brownsville Rd. (Carrick)

Pittsburgh, PA 15210-4514


SCHEIDEMANTEL, Albert, 1875-1931, Section B

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Carl Hilbert, 1885- (no date), (same stone as Selma Scheidemantel), Section B

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Charles L., 1871-1921, Father, (Masonic symbol), Section 4

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Dorathea, 1851-1929, Section B

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Ernest, 1883-1907, Section B

SCHEIDEMANTEL, M. Elizabeth, 1873-1927, Mother, (Eastern Star symbol) Section 4

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Marie A., 1903-1983, (same stone as Ralph E. Scheidemantel), Section 4

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Micheal, 1845-1888, Section B

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Peter, Geb D 2 Nov 1829-Gest D 16 April 1884, Section BSCHEIDEMANTEL, Ralph E., 1898-1955, (same stone as Marie A. Scheidemantel), Section 4

SCHEIDEMANTEL, Selma Ermlich, 1886-(no date), (same stone as Carl Hilbert Scheidemantel), Section B


Dorothea SCHEIDEMANTEL (KOPPITZ ) (1851 - 1926)

third great aunt to Me, Wife of Johannes (John S.)

Dorothea SCHEIDEMANTEL (KOPPITZ ) (1851 - 1929)

second cousin four times removed's wife to Me, Wife of Micheal and Johannes


Birth: Aug. 16, 1851

Death: Jan. 29, 1926


Allegheny County

Pennsylvania, USA [Edit Dates]

Dorothea SCHEIDEMANTEL (KOPPITZ ) (1851 - 1926)

Nicknames: "Grossie"

Place of Burial: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Birthdate: August 16, 1851

Death: Died January 29, 1926 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Immediate Family:

Daughter of Unknown and Unknown

Wife of Michael and Johannes (John S.)(John's 2nd wife)

Mother of Anna Eva, Emelia Catherine, Mary, Margaret Elizabeth, George Albert, Leda A., Bertha, Ernest M. and Carl Hilbert

Sister of Katharina

Occupation: Saloonkeeper, Her 2nd huband was Johannes (John S.) Scheidemantel, Her 1st marriage is to Micheal Scheidemantel

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Burial: [Edit]:

Birmingham Cemetery


Allegheny County

Pennsylvania, USA

Plot: section B [Edit Plot]

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Created by: Kim H

Record added: Jan 3 2009

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Dorathea Scheidemantel's Timeline

August 16, 1844
August 24, 1868
Age 24
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
August 26, 1870
Age 26
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
August 26, 1870
Age 26
May 29, 1873
Age 28
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
February 8, 1875
Age 30
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
January 8, 1877
Age 32
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
October 1, 1879
Age 35
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
February 3, 1883
Age 38
Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States