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Duncan Donnchadh, Priest Thane Dule and Earl of Caithness

Also Known As: "Dúnchad", "Donachadh", "Donnchad", "Duchad", "Hereditary Priest Thane of Dule and Earl of Caithness"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Dull, Perthshire, Scotland
Death: circa 925 (27-43)
Caithness, Scotland
Immediate Family:

Father of Duncan mac Donachadh, Abthane of Dule

Occupation: Priest of Dule, (Thane/Priest) of DULE, LVSQ-Y2W, L8BM-ZN3
Son of: Lord Duncan Demormaer Eryvine,
Wife of: Crinan Demormaer Eryvine (born Thane Mackenneth
Managed by: James Fred Patin, Jr.
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About Duncan of Strathearn, priest of Dule

Duncan Donachad was known as "hereditary priest" Duncan, Donachad, Donachadh, Donnchad or Dúnchad (Duncan, Duchad)

It appears that in some genealogies this Duncan is the father of:

From http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc359671972

1.         DUNCAN, son of --- (-killed 965).  Abthane of Dule, lay abbot of Dunkeld.  From the house of the Kings of Ireland.  Governor of Strathclyde.  The Annals of Ulster record that "Donnchad the abbot of Dún Caillen" was killed in 965 in "a battle between the men of Scotland themselves"[140].  The 10th century Pictish Chronicle Cronica de Origine Antiquorum Pictorum records that "Niger filius Maelcolaim" defeated "Caniculum super Dorsum Crup", in which battle "Duchad abbas Duncalden et Dubdon satrapas Athochlach" were killed, after which Niger was expelled and "Caniculus" reigned for a short time[141]. 

please note

The Mormaer of Caithness is not the same as Mormaer of Atholl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormaerdom_of_Caithness

descent

From HOUSE of CRINAN

Crinan was the hereditary lay-abbot of Dunkeld and Seneschal of the Isles. His parentage is not certainly known but, his grandfather was probably Duncan, abbot of Dunkeld who was killed in 965 and his mother or grandmother may have been a daughter of one of the last Kings of the Isles.

In early times celibacy of the clergy was unknown and down to the reformation the dignity of a mitred abbot was equal to that of a bishop. Crinan held the territory called the "Abthania de Dul" part of which is now the parish of Dull in Atholl.

From Scottish Kings

1034-1040 17. Duncan I, son of Crinan, Earl of Athole (d1045), & Bethoc, dau of Malcolm II;

since the Scottish crown had never before passed through a female, his succession was challenged by the representative of a collateral male-line of the royal house, Macbeth, who slew him at Bothnagowan [now Pitgaveny], near Elgin, in Morayshire; his sons were minors at the time of his death and were taken away to England for safety where they grew up in the court of the English King Edward "The Confessor"

pedigree

please raise a discussion from that tab to discuss ancestry. See the reference section at the bottom of the profile.

from Clans and Families of Ireland and Scotland IX. The Gaels

The Cineal Conaill in Scotland were known as the Kindred of St. Columba, the great saint who founded lona. This epithet was applied to all the descendants of St. Columba’s great-grandfather, Conall Gulban, but was especially applied to branches within the clan devoted to ecclesiastical pursuits, especially in Scotland. Thus the Kindred was comprised of several early saints, and also of the hereditary abbots of Iona, Kells, Derry and Dunkeld, some of whom were descended from the Saint Columba’s brother. The Kindred of St. Columba remained closely connected to the Abbey at lona despite changes in political control and the distance from the Cineal Conall homeland in Donegal. In 1164 King Somerled of the Isles (see under MacDonald) invited the chief co-arb (see Chapter IV) of St. Columba to accept the Abbacy of lona; but the Cineal Connaill would not allow the Columban primacy (which first went from lona to Kells, and then to Derry in Donegal, the homeland of the Kindred) to pass from Derry back to the Hebrides.

From http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cnoelldunc/Medieval/Atheling/A1.htm

  • 128. Duncan, Priest of Dull, Abbot of Dunkfield, son of Conall Gulban, King of Tirconnel, was born in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland.

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Disconnected from Lord Duncan, de Mormaer Eryvine There is no known ancestry for this Duncan proposed; a discussion can be raised to discuss.

Disconnected Sept 2015


Found on the profile:

"When researching his wife, Groa Thorsteinsdottir, I found a place that said Duncan was born in 871. Not sure about this because so many places say 890. But then, it is reported they had a son born in 898 so maybe 871 is correct."

"Some confusing information here. Need to check further."

Groa Thorsteinsdottir could not have been the wife of this Duncan; her husband was Duncan, mormaer of Caithness.

Relationship disconnected Dec 2014.


Found http://www.geni.com/people/Þorsteinn-rauði-the-Red-Ólafsson/6000000000161219866 (Thorstein "the Red" Olafsson) as the father of Duncan. He married Thurid, the daughter of Eyvind the Easterner, and sister of Helgi the Lean; they had many children. Their son was named Olaf Feilan, and their daughters, Groa and Alof, Osk, and Thorhild, Thorgerd and Vigdis.

Therefore the relationship was disconnected Dec 2014.


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This is seen on the internet without proof or attribution:

Lay Abbot of Dunkeld Duncan MacDonachadh, Thane of Dule (b. 925, d. 965) Duncan MacDonachadh, Thane of Dule (son of Heriditary Priest Duncan, Donachadh and Groa Thorsteinsdottir) was born 925, and died 965. He married Halvdan Sigurdsson.

More About Duncan MacDonachadh, Thane of Dule:

  • Date born 2: 890 215
  • Date born 3: 890, Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland.215, 215, 215
  • Date born 4: 925, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.215
  • Date born 5: 925, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.215
  • Died 2: 965, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.215
  • Died 3: 965, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.215

Children of Duncan MacDonachadh, Thane of Dule and Halvdan Sigurdsson are:

Duncan Mormaer, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, b. 950, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland 215, d. 1045, Isle, Scotland 215.

  • Note that Groa Thorsteindottr was married to Duncan, mormaer of Caithness, not into the Atholl line.

* Note that Halvdan Sigurdsson is a man's name.


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for further reading

references

  • [140] Bambury, P. and Beechinor, S. (eds.) (2000) The Annals of Ulster (Corpus of Electronic Texts Edition “CELT”, University College, Cork), available at <http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100001A/index.html> (22 Feb 2006), 965.4, p. 405. 
  • [141] Skene (1867), I, The Pictish Chronicle, Cronica de origine antiquorum Pictorum, p. 9. 
  • The Henry Project by David Baldwin
  • Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
  • "The Scots Peerage"- Vol.III, "Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar." pp.239-40. "Crinan was the hereditary lay-abbot of Dunkeld and Seneschal of the Isles. His parentage is not certainly known but, his grandfather was probably Duncan, abbot of Dunkeld who was killed in 965 and his mother or grandmother may have been a daughter of one of the last Kings of the Isles."

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Originally a forename, this seems to be one of the earliest names to appear in Scottish records. Dunchad, eleventh abbot of Dunkeld was killed at the battle of Dorsum Crup, Perthshire in 965. This name was clearly widespread, but some Duncans claim to be descended from the Ancient Earls of Atholl, the name was taken from a chief of clan Donnachaidh, "Fat Duncan", who led the family at Bannockburn. From then on the history of the Duncans is associated with Clan Donnachaidh. (The name Robertson was not adopted by that clan until the 16th century from "the son of Robert", a chief living at the time of James I). The Duncans are therefore considered a sept of Clan Donnachaidh but also possessed lands in Forfarshire including the barony of Lundie and the estates of Gourdie. Sir William Duncan was one of the physicians to George III and in 1764 was created a baronet, but the title became extinct on death in 1774. Alexander Duncan of Lundie, provost of Dundee, supported the Hanovarian sid e during the Jacobite Rising of 1745. He married Helena, daughter of Haldane of Gleaneagles. Their son born in 1731, entered the navy in 1746 and was appointed Commander of the Fleet in the North Sea and Admiral of the Blue. In 1797 he gained at Camperdown one of the most glorious victories in the history of the British navy when he defeated the Dutch navy. For his services he was created Viscount Duncan of Camperdown by George IV in 1880.

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Duncan of Strathearn, priest of Dule's Timeline

890
890
Dull, Perthshire, Scotland
920
920
Age 30
Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland
925
925
Age 35
Scotland