Elizabeth de Bryan

• Daughter of Sir Guy de Brienne, KG, Lord Bryan and Joan de Carew

Cokayne, George, Complete Peerage, vol 02 Bass-Canning, 1912, TN-271412_2

Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 2: Bryan

The suggestion that Elizabeth, the wife of Robert FitzPayn, was a daughter of the elder Guy de Bryan (d. 1390), is confirmed by a reference in the wife of his son, the younger Guy de Bryan (d. 1386), to "mon tresch[er]e fr[er]e Robard le Fitzpayn" - showing that Robert was his brother-in-law [Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, vol. 3, pp. 253, 254 (1836)]. The chronology suggests that she would have been Guy's daughter by a marriage earlier than that to Elizabeth Montagu.

The PEERAGE

The PEERAGE DOES NOT HAVE INFORMATION ON GUY

Elizabeth de Briene is the daughter of Sir Guy de Briene.2 She married Robert FitzPayn, son of Sir Richard de Grey and Joan FitzPayn, between 16 August 1351 and 16 October 1354.1

From between 16 August 1351 and 16 October 1354, her married name became FitzPayn.1

Child of Elizabeth de Briene and Robert FitzPayn

• 1. Isabel Grey, +3 b. c 1364, d. 11 Apr 1394

Notes

In summary, it appears that Sir Guy de Bryan was born say 1309, he being in arms in 1327 and stated to be of age in 1330. His first wife, Joan, was living 12 April 1348. It is Nicolas' supposition and my own that Joan was the daughter of John de Carew, Knt., of Carew, Pembrokeshire, by his wife, Joan. As indicated above, Guy de Bryan's marriage was held by Lady Joan de Carew, and he occurs together with Lady Carew in records in 1330, 1341, and 1342. On the last date, Lady Joan de Carew released her life estate to her land holdings at Clifton, Dartmouth and Hardness, Devon to him. Sir Guy de Bryan was still in possession of this property as late as 1376-1377. Sir Guy de Bryan and his first wife, Joan de Carew, were the parents of at least two, possibly three daughters. There are living descendants through their daughter, Elizabeth de Bryan, who married Robert Fitz Payn (formerly de Grey), Knt., of Stogursey, Bridghampton, Cheddon Fitzpaine, Rodway, etc., Somerset.

For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Sir Guy de Bryan and his first wife, Joan de Carew, through their daughter, Elizabeth:

• Robert De GREY (1° B. Fitzpayn)
• Born: ABT 1321
• Died: 21 May 1393
• Father: Richard De GREY (2° B. Grey of Codnor)
• Mother: Joan FITZPAYN
• Married: Elizabeth BRYAN ABT 1352

Sources

• 1.[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 1666. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
• 2.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 2, page 1667.
• 3.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.