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Elizabeth Say (Fray)

Also Known As: "Saye"
Birthdate: (37)
Birthplace: Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England
Death: 1478 (33-41)
Smallbridge, Suffolk, England
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Sir John Fray, Chief Baron of the Exchequer and Agnes Wenlock
Wife of Sir William Say, Kt.
Mother of Mary Bourchier and Elizabeth Blount
Sister of Catherine Stafford; Margaret Plomer and Agnes Fray
Half sister of Agnes Gates; Isabella Baldington; Agnes Gates and Isabella Baldington

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About Elizabeth Say

  • Elizabeth Fray1,2
  • F, b. circa 1441, d. after 1490
  • Father Sir John Fray, Chief Baron of the Exchequer2 b. c 1415, d. 1 Jul 1461
  • Mother Agnes Danvers2 b. c 1408
  • Elizabeth Fray was born circa 1441 at of Banbury, Hertfordshire, England; Age 20 in 1461.2 She married Sir Thomas Waldgrave, son of Sir Richard Waldgrave and Joan de Durward, circa 1457; They had 3 sons (William, Edward, & Richard) and 4 daughters (Anne, Jane, Katherine, & Elizabeth).2 Elizabeth Fray married Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset & Dorset, son of Sir John Saye, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Speaker of the House of Commons. and Elizabeth Cheney, before 1480; They had 2 daughters (Elizabeth & Mary).2 Elizabeth Fray died after 1490; Buried at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.2
  • Family 1 Sir Thomas Waldgrave b. c 1437, d. 28 Apr 1472
  • Children
    • Richard Waldegrave b. 1458
    • Joan Waldegrave b. c 1459, d. 1491
    • Edward Waldegrave+ b. c 1461, d. 1501
    • Catherine Waldegrave+ b. c 1463
    • Sir William Waldegrave, Sheriff of Norfolk & Suffolk+2 b. c 1465, d. 30 Jun 1527
    • Jane Waldegrave b. c 1465
    • Anne Waldegrave b. c 1467
  • Family 2 Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset & Dorset b. c 1452, d. 4 Dec 1529
  • Children
    • Elizabeth Say+3 b. c 1481, d. b 21 Jul 1506
    • Mary Say4 b. c 1483, d. a 5 Jun 1535
  • Citations
  • 1.[S3578] Unknown author, Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles by Paget, Vol. II, p. 426; Wallop Family, Vol. 4, line 1018.
  • 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 740-741.
  • 3.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 741.
  • 4.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. V, p. 138-139.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p426.htm#i12788
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  • 1. WILLIAM Bourchier (-killed in battle Barnet 14 Apr 1471[703]). A manuscript pedigree dated to [1500] names "Elizabeth Countess of Essex" as daughter of "Anne Countess of Cambridge" and mother of "William Lord Bouchier"[704]. He was styled Viscount Bourchier. [705]Maybe m firstly ISABEL de Vere, daughter of JOHN de Vere Earl of Oxford & his wife Elizabeth Howard . m [secondly] (before 15 Aug 1467) as her first husband, ANNE Wydeville, daughter of RICHARD Wydeville Earl Rivers & his wife Jacquette de Luxembourg ([1438]-30 Jul 1489). A manuscript pedigree dated to [1500] names "Anne Lady Bouchier" as daughter of "Richard Earl Rivers" and mother of "Henry Earl of Essex" and of "Lady Ferrers of Chartley"[706]. She married secondly Sir Edward Wingfield, and thirdly (before 26 Jun 1480) as his first wife, George Grey Earl of Kent. William & his wife had three children:
    • c) HENRY ([posthumously][708] [1471/72]-Baas Manor, Broxbourne 13 Mar 1540, bur Little Easton, Essex). A manuscript pedigree dated to [1500] names "Anne Lady Bouchier" as daughter of "Richard Earl Rivers" and mother of "Henry Earl of Essex" and of "Lady Ferrers of Chartley"[709]. He succeeded his paternal grandfather in 1483 as Earl of Essex. He died having broken his neck by a fall from a German horse[710]. m ([1498]) MARY Say, daughter and co-heiress of Sir WILLIAM Say of Broxbourne and Essenden, Hertfordshire & his second wife Elizabeth Fray (-after 5 Jun 1535). Henry & his wife had one child: ....
  • From: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#_Toc188245690



Elizabeth Say[1,2]

1477 - 1506

Birth 1477 Broxbourne, Hertfordshire

Sex Female

Lived In England

Complete *

Died Jul 1506 Barton Bloung, Derbyshire

Person ID I00076228 Leo

Last Modified 18 Sep 1999

Father Sir William Say, b. 1450, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire

Mother Elizabeth Fray, b. 1441, Cottered, Hertfordshire

Family ID F00105631 Group Sheet

Family William Blount, 4th Lord Mountjoy, b. Abt 1478

Married 1497


1. Gertrude Blount, b. Abt 1504

Last Modified 18 Sep 1999

Family ID F00032952 Group Sheet

Sources 1. [S00301] ~Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 630

2. [S02568] Descendants of Elizabeth Cheyne, 2008 , Bradley, Hal

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Elizabeth Say's Timeline

Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England
Age 33
Tickhill, Yorkshire, England
Age 37
Smallbridge, Suffolk, England
Age 37
Essendon, Hertfordshire, England