About Frond verch Hoesgyn
- 'Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl Pembroke, 1st Lord Herbert, Sheriff of Glamorgan & Morgannock, Chief Justice of North & South Wales1,2,3,4,5,6,7
- M, b. circa 1423, d. 27 July 1469
- Father Sir William ap Thomas, Sheriff of Cardiganshire, Carmarthenshire, & Glamorganshire, Steward of Abergavenny2,5 b. c 1401, d. 1446
- Mother Gwladys Gam2,5 b. c 1380, d. 1454
- Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl Pembroke, 1st Lord Herbert, Sheriff of Glamorgan & Morgannock, Chief Justice of North & South Wales married Mawd Turberville, daughter of Adam Turberville, NOT MARRIED; By various mistresses, he had 6 sons (Richard, Esq; Philip; William; Thomas; John; & William).5 Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl Pembroke, 1st Lord Herbert, Sheriff of Glamorgan & Morgannock, Chief Justice of North & South Wales was born circa 1423 at of Raglan, Monmouthshire, England.2,5 He married Anne Devereux, daughter of Sir Walter Devereux, Sheriff of Herefordshire & Gloucestershire, Constable of Wigmore, Keeper of Leominster and Elizabeth Merbury, circa 1455; They had 3 sons (Sir William, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, 2nd Lord Herbert, Earl of Huntingdon; Sir Walter; & Sir George) and 7 daughters (Maud, wife of Sir Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland, 7th Lord Percy; Katherine, wife of Sir George Grey, 2nd Earl of Kent; Anne, wife of John, Lord Grey of Powis; Margaret, wife of Sir Thomas Talbot, 2nd Viscount Lisle, & of Sir Walter Bodrugan; Cecily, wife of John Greystoke; Elizabeth, wife of Sir Thomas Cokesey; & Crisli, wife of Mr. Cornwall).2,3,4,5,6 Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl Pembroke, 1st Lord Herbert, Sheriff of Glamorgan & Morgannock, Chief Justice of North & South Wales died on 27 July 1469 at Northampton, Northamptonshire, England; Beheaded. Buried at Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire, Wales.2,5 His estate was probated on 30 August 1469.5
- Family 1 Mawd Turberville
- ◦Elizabeth (Eleanor) Herbert+8
- ◦Richard Herbert, Gentleman Usher to Henry VII+ b. c 1442, d. 12 Sep 1510
- Family 2 Anne Devereux b. c 1433, d. a 25 Jun 1486
- ◦Maud Herbert+9,5,6,7 b. c 1456, d. bt 17 Jul 1485 - 24 Feb 1489
- ◦Sir George Herbert b. c 1457
- ◦Sir William Herbert, 2nd Lord Herbert, 1st Earl Huntingdon & 2nd Earl of Pembroke+10,5 b. c 1458, d. 16 Jul 1491
- ◦Sir Walter Herbert11 b. c 1458, d. 16 Sep 1507
- ◦Katherine Herbert+4,5 b. c 1459
- ◦Anne Herbert+ b. c 1462
- ◦Margaret Herbert b. c 1463, d. b 1503
- ◦Cecilia Herbert b. c 1464, d. 1499
- ◦Elizabeth Herbert b. c 1465
- Family 3
- ◦William Herbert+2 b. c 1466
- 'Family 4 Frond ferch Hoesgyn b. c 1440
- ◦Sir William Herbert11 b. c 1468, d. 1524
- 1.[S2595] Unknown author, The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants, by Gary Boyd Roberts, p. 391.
- 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 395.
- 3.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 3.
- 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 280-281.
- 5.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 388-389.
- 6.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 346-347.
- 7.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 85.
- 8.[S74] Brent Ruesch's Research Notes.
- 9.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 579.
- 10.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 395-396.
- 11.[S61] Unknown author, Family Group Sheets, SLC Archives.
Blanche Herbert, Lady Troy, (previously Blanche Milborne, then Blanche Whitney) was the Lady Mistress in charge of the upbringing of Queen Elizabeth I, Edward VI and also of Queen Mary when she lived with the younger Tudor children. She was twice married, and widowed; first to James Whitney then Sir William Herbert of Troy Parva, an illegitimate son of 'William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke and one of his mistresses'. She had five children. Lady Troy died c. 1557 before Queen Elizabeth I’s accession.
Blanche Milborne was one of the eleven co-heiresses (a son and daughter died young) of Simon Milborne and Jane (Baskerville) of Burghill, Herefordshire. Her eldest sister, Alice married Henry Myles and they were the parents of Blanche Parry. The family had widespread gentry connections; 'Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke (1st creation') married Ann Devereux, the niece of Simon Milborne’s mother, Elizabeth Devereux.
Blanche Milborne married James Whitney of Whitney and Pen-cwm; her dowry was the manor of Icomb in Gloucestershire which had belonged to her father and was inherited by their eldest son, Robert. James Whitney died on 30 July 1500, leaving Blanche with Robert aged thirteen years, and James, Watkin and Elizabeth who were younger. Elizabeth's daughter, Ann Morgan of Arkstone, Herefordshire, married Henry Carey, later Lord Hunsdon by licence on 21 May 1545, and the son of Mary Boleyn.
Between July 1500 and August 1502 Blanche remarried, becoming the second wife of Sir William Herbert of Troy Parva, an 'illegitimate son of Sir William Herbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke and one of his mistresses, Frond verch Hoesgyn'. It was a Welsh household; although Blanche was English she would have also been Welsh-speaking. Lewys Morgannwg states that she and her husband welcomed King Henry VII, his Earls and possibly his Queen to Troy House, Mitchel Troy near Monmouth in August 1502. Blanche and Sir William had two sons Charles and Thomas, both of whom were eventually knighted and served as sheriffs of Monmouthshire. (Sir William also had an illegitimate son, Richard.) Thomas married Anne Lucy of Charlecote.
In 1505, Sir William Herbert of Troy gave an undertaking to keep the peace with his half-brother, Sir Walter Herbert of Raglan, and with Henry Myles, his brother-in-law. He is recorded as being an annuitant of Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham at Thornbury Castle in 1508, Sheriff of Herefordshire in 1515 and was knighted between Easter and Michaelmas 1516; thereafter Blanche Herbert was usually called Lady Troy. He died in 1524; Blanche and their son Charles were executors of his Will, in which Blanche was well provided for. A clause of the Will trusted that Henry Somerset (then Lord Herbert but succeeded as 2nd Earl of Worcester in 1526/7) would be "a good lord to my wife and children." Sir William also requested that "Blanche will keep herself sole."
By the 1530s, Lady Troy was in the Royal Household as shown by a later report, author not named (on the subversive activities of the Earl of Essex and Roger Vaughan in 1601) which has the preamble "My mother was chosen and brought to the Court by my Lady Herbert of Troy, to have been her Majesty's (Queen Elizabeth I's) nurse and had been chosen before all other had her gracious mother (Queen Anne Boleyn) had her own will therein…" Lady Troy is mentioned at the christening of Prince Edward in 1537; when the procession reformed at the conclusion of the ceremony it was noted that, "Lady Elizabeth went with her sister Lady Mary and Lady Herbert of Troy to bear the train."
Lady mistress ca. 1537 to ca. 1546
Margaret Bryan was in charge of Princess Elizabeth when she was a baby but she transferred to Prince Edward when he was born. The evidence shows that Lady Bryan was succeeded by Lady Troy; Prince Edward was also placed in her charge when he grew older for Lewys Morgannwg states that she was "in charge of his (Prince Edward’s) fosterage." Lady Troy’s position is confirmed by lists of personnel for Lady Elizabeth in the Letters and Papers of Henry VIII. Internal evidence suggests a range of dates for these lists from before 1536 to 1546. Lady Troy’s name heads the earlier lists, followed by Kate Champernon who was appointed in 1536 as a governess. In 1545 Roger Ascham (whose page was John Whitney, possibly a relation of Lady Troy) wrote to Champernon asking that she commend him to "my good Lady Troy and all that company of gentlewomen." However, the c.1546 household list for Lady Elizabeth does not mention Lady Troy indicating that she retired from her position in late 1545 or early 1546; Elizabeth was then twelve years old.
In 1549, Sir Robert Tyrwhitt wrote that "Ashley…was made her mistress (Lady Elizabeth’s) by the king her father… But four of her gentlewomen confess that Ashley first removed Lady Troy…and then her successor (Blanche) Parry…". Lady Troy had evidently intended her niece Blanche to succeed her but the post of Lady Mistress was given to Champernon (Blanche Parry remained as second in the household, succeeding Champernon when the latter died in 1565.)
Lady Troy retired to her own furnished apartments at Troy House where she was cared for by her son Charles and his wife, Cicill. The Household Accounts of Princess Elizabeth (1551–1552, Hatfield) show that Elizabeth sent her a regular half-yearly pension "by warrant" which was about half the amount she would have received while in post; a servant of the Knights Marshall was paid to deliver it.
Lady Troy died an honoured lady, probably in 1557 and certainly before the accession of Queen Elizabeth in November 1558. If she was buried as her second husband had intended in the tomb in Monmouth parish church, now lost, it would have been adorned by the three effigies of Lady Troy, Sir William and his first wife.
Her funeral elegy, composed by the bard Lewys Morgannwg, includes the lines:
- Arglwyddes breninesau,..................(She was a) Lady (in charge) of Queens,
- Gofrner oedd ban oedd yn iau...........A governess she was in her youth.
- Hi a wyddiad yn weddus..................She knew in a fitting manner
- Wybodau iarllesau'r llys,.................The accomplishments of the ladies of the court,
- Gorcheidwad cyn ymadaw...............(And she was the) guardian, before she passed away,
- Tŷ Harri Wyth a'i blant draw.............Of Henry VIII’s household and his children yonder.
- I Edwart Frenin ydoedd,...................To King Edward she was a true
- Uwch ei faeth, goruchaf oedd,..........(And) wise lady of dignity,
- Waetio yr oedd at ei Ras,.................In charge of his fosterage (she was pre-eminent),
- Gywirddoeth wraig o urddas.............(And) she waited upon his Grace.
- Arglwyddys plas a gladden',.............(She, whom) they buried, the Lady of the palace of Troy,
- Troe, a'i llew lletyai'r ieirll hen............And her lion (i.e. William), gave hospitality to the old Earls.
- Bu i frenin, bu fawr unwaith,..............A welcome was given to the King, Henry VII,
- Roeso, a'i ieirll, Harri Saith................And his Earls; he was great once.
- Gweddu y bu tra fu fyw......................She gave service all her life,
- Hon sydd frenhines heddiw................To the one who is Queen today (i.e. Mary I)….
- 1.^ Richardson 2007, p 26-27 & 39-46
- 2.^ Inquistion Post Mortem of James Whitney transcribed and translated by Michael A. Faraday
- 3.^ Will of Sir William Herbert of Troy, National Archives, Kew
- 4.^ MSS of the Most Hon. the Marquis of Salisbury part XI, Richardson 2007, p 37 & 171,
- 5.^ Letters & Papers King Henry VIII 1537 no 911, Richardson 2007, p 39 & 172
- 6.^ 'Letters of Roger Ascham', translated Maurice Hatch & Alvin Vos, Richardson 2007, p 44 & 172
- 7.^ Calendar State Papers Edward VI 1549, Richardson 2007, p 44 & 172
- 8.^ 1552 Will of Sir Charles Herbert, National Archives Kew
- 9.^ 'Household Accounts of the Princess Elizabeth 1551-1552' reprinted in The Camden Miscellany LV, Camden Old Series vol II 1853
- 10.^ Richardson 2007 for discussion of date based on the internal evidence and people named
- 11.^ Richardson 2007, 'Mistress Blanche, Queen Elizabeth I's Confidante' by Ruth Elizabeth Richardson, p 39-41 elegy given in full, in modern Welsh and English translation, also on www.blancheparry.com
- 12.^ 'Elegy to the Lady Blanche' by Lewys Morgannwg, Llansteffan MS 164, 118,in National Library of Wales, first published in A. Cynfael Lake, editor 'Gwaith Lewys Morgannwg' vol 1, Aberystwyth 2005; Richardon 2007 has a very slightly changed translation approved by Dr. Lake and Professor Gruffydd Aled Williams of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
- 'William HERBERT (1º E. Pembroke)
- Born: 1423, Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
- Acceded: 1468, created by Edward IV
- Died: 27 Jul 1469, Banbury, Oxfordshire / Northamptonshire, England
- Buried: Tintern Abbey
- Notes: Knight of the Garter. Leading Yorkist in War of Roses. Captured by Lancastrians and beheaded 1469 at Banbury.
- Father: William Ap THOMAS HERBERT (Sir Knight)
- Mother: Gladys GAM
- Married: Anne DEVEREUX (C. Pembroke) ABT 1440, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
- 1. Maud HERBERT (C. Northumberland)
- 2. William HERBERT (1º E. Huntingdon)
- 3. Walter HERBERT (Sir Knight)
- 4. George HERBERT
- 5. Phillip HERBERT
- 6. John HERBERT
- 7. Margaret HERBERT
- 8. Thomas HERBERT
- 9. Cecily HERBERT
- 10. Isabel HERBERT
- 11. Anne HERBERT
- 12. Catherine HERBERT (C. Kent)
- Associated with: Maud TURBERVILLE Ap HOWELL GRANT
- 13. Richard HERBERT (Sir)
- 14. John HERBERT
- 'Associated with: Frond Verch HOESGYN
- 15. Anne HERBERT
- 16. George HERBERT (Sir Knight)
- 17. William HERBERT of Troye (Sir)
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