Matching family tree profiles for George Gastineau (c1775 - 1867)
About George Gastineau (c1775 - 1867)
Some state he died as late as 1874/1875
Michael K. Smith state on his website that George Gastineau's parentage is questionable - http://www.oldbooksmith.com/report-georgegastineau.html so he has changed his perspective on the parentage of George Gastineau - but not edited or corrected his profiles here on Geni to reflect this also found previously on his website which has been re-designed and re-formatted and corrected – ha has been the following statements concerning George:
For various reasons, the correct connection between Job Sr. and my George Gastineau still eludes family researchers — but it certainly exists. Therefore, I feel reasonably certain in accepting at least the ancestry of George Lewis as my own, . . . even if I can not yet tell the flavor of that connection.
He came to Pulaski co., Ky. from Va. in 1807; his relationship to his father Job Sr. and Elizabeth (Nutterwell) Gastineau has not been fully verified.
George Gastineau was related to George Lewis Gastineau in some as-yet-unknown way, possibly as a great-nephew is father was possibly Job Gastineau Sr. and his mother was possibly Elizabeth Nutterwell [Janice Budd, Ancestors of George (Sr.) Gastineau].
PARENTAGE IS DEBATABLE
For now this is the only fair way I can see possible of putting George up in the ‘Gastineau Tree’ whether it is correct or incorrect since there are Gedcoms floating out there yet stating a;; the versions listed below that George Gastineau
- IS the son of Job Sr @Job Gastineau, Sr.. and still is depending upon what source you find
- then you find another which state he is possibly the son of Job Sr. - Now Lloyd (now deceased) and his daughter are back to stating George AS A POSSIBLE SON of Job Gastineau Sr. and his mother was possibly Elizabeth Nutterwell I think if you go back to the original books done by Flossie Oakes, Gastineau Family 2nd Edition (1973/4). that she expressed doubt of the relationship between Job. sr. and George - I never seen the books only heard of it by word of mouth; so I can not state for sure how the relationship was stated in it for Job. sr. and George Gastineau and no one would send copies of the pages concerning him and George
- and yet there are others which states his IS NOT the son of job Sr.
- now in internet files it is stated he “was related to George Lewis Gastineau@ George Lewis Gastineau in some as-yet-unknown way, possibly as a great-nephew”
another researcher states: For various reasons, the correct connection between Job Sr. and my George Gastineau still eludes family researchers — but it certainly exists.
This allows him to remain connected to the “Gastineau tree/lineage and showing the controversy and debate that has been going on for over the last 30+ years. I have connected him and unconnected him so many times ...
The printed volume of the Lloyd Gastineau book I bought in the early 1990's I think he had stated that Job was the father of George Gastineau following the theory of the Flossie Oaks book - but I donated my book to the National genealogical Society library loan program - which is now free to all through the St. Louis Public Library
Sarah/ Sally Carraway vs UNKNOWN WIFE
Micheal K. Smith state on his website that George gastineau's 1st wife is UNKNOWN - http://www.oldbooksmith.com/report-georgegastineau.html so he has changed his prespective on the wives of George gastineau but not edited or corrected his profiles here on Geni
Micheal k. Smith at one time had stated on his website since I first found this he has redesigned his website edited and corrected it:
supposed marriage to Sally Carraway@ Sarah Carraway is wishful thinking and the identity of his first wife (my ancestor) is still unknown.
In family tradition, George [Gastineau] is supposed to have married 1st Sally Carraway 9 June 1791 in Lynhaven Parish, Princess Anne County, Virginia. However, this depends on his name having been recorded as Gasking. There was, in fact, a "George Gasking" in Lynhaven who married Sally Carraway on the date noted -- but this was NOT George Gastineau.
Both the Gaskings and the Carraways are thoroughly researched families in Princess Anne County, and neither of them has any documented connection of any kind to the Gastineau family. A supposed marriage to Sally Carraway is wishful thinking and the identity of his first wife (my ancestor) is still unknown
Virginia Marriages to 1800
- Spouse 1: Carraway, Sally
- Spouse 2: Gasking, George
- Marriage Date: 9 Jun 1791
- Marriage Location: Virginia Princess Anne County
Source Information: Dodd, Jordan. Virginia Marriages to 1800 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1997.
Original data: Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Virginia.
The Gastineau Genealogy book
Special Collections Department of St. Louis County Library (SLCL) in St. Louis, Missouri. The collection consists of approximately 20,000+ books. Previously loaned only to NGS members, this collection is now available to the general public through Interlibrary Loan (ILL) via their local library.
Call # Q 929.2 G255G Author Gastineau, Loyd D. Title Our Gastineau family / compiled by Loyd D. Gastineau. Imprint Mt. Vernon, IN : Windmill Publications, c1994. Edition 3rd ed.
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HQ Special Col. Closed Q 929.2 G255G IN LIBRARY
The where abouts of how to obtain an original copy of the Flossie Oakes books for re-view is unknown. I do know that Lloyd Gastineau used them as the basis for his book and corrected and done more research and even after the printing he was continuing researching the line with his daughter janie Budd up till his death on Oct. 16th, 2005.
The last & third edition of "Our Gastineau Family" was put out by me in 1994. I am still adding to it & someone can use it some day to put out the 4th edition. The last edition is over 400 pages & goes back to England, then France. A new edition would be about 700 pages today. I knew Flossie real well & helped her put out the first book, then she did the second book by herself which was the first hardback - April 18, 2001 - Loyd Gastineau this was found on Genfourm's Gastineau board.
1. Loyd D. Gastineau, Compiler, Our Gastineau Family, 3rd Edition (1994, Windmill Publications Inc., Mt. Vernon, In.), pg. 9-11, Loyd Gastineau (?-2006), 2704 Imperial Dr., Huntsville, AL. 35801.
2. Flossie Oakes, Gastineau Family 2nd Edition (1973/4).
3. Michael K. Smith, Ancestors of Plummer Emanuel Gastineau, http://www.oldbooksmith.com/report-pierregastineau.html . Formerly at - http://book-smith.tripod.com/gastineau.html. " Generation Four
8. George4 Gastineau. Born 1775? probably in Virginia. Married 1st ---(?)---. Married 2nd Mary ("Polly") Roper, daughter of David Roper, 1811 in Pulaski County, Kentucky. Died 1860-1870 in Pulaski County, Kentucky.
NOTE: In family tradition, George is supposed to have married 1st Sally Carraway (see #9) 9 June 1791 in Lynhaven Parish, Princess Anne County, Virginia. However, this depends on his name haveing been recorded as Gasking. There was, in fact, a "George Gasking" in Lynhaven who married Sally Carraway on the date noted -- but this was
NOTE George Gastineau. Both the Gaskings and the Carraways are thoroughly researched families in Princess Anne County, and neither of them has any documented connection of any kind to the Gastineau family. A supposed marriage to Sally Carraway is wishful thinking and the identity of his first wife (my ancestor) is still unknown.
NOTE: Recent research has uncovered a George Lewis Gastineau in Maryland who left a will and whose descent from one of the many Huguenot Gastineau families in England in the 18th and 19th centuries can be documented. George Lewis is of an age to be my George's grandfather. And among George Lewis's children is Job Gastineau Sr., probably a Revolutionary veteran and the progenitor of the senior Gastineau line in this country. Since Job Sr. and my George both moved from Virginia to Pulaski County, Kentucky at about the same time, and were known to be in close association there, it seems more and more likely that my George is a grandson of George Lewis, the son either of Job Sr. (and his apparent 1st wife, Elizabeth Nutterwell) or of one of George Lewis's other sons, as follows:
(1) Both lived close together in Virginia and Kentucky and were obviously related in some way.
(2) Their apparent birth dates (now that Job's probable birthdate has been established more clearly) are a generation apart; they *could* be brothers, but that would be on the very edge of possibility.
(3) Job is almost certainly not George's uncle, as his own father, George Lewis, had no brothers who could have been George's father.
Now, if I could only firmly document these deductions one way or the other! But since George Lewis seems very likely now to be my ancestor -- through whichever of his sons -- I will track his line further in this report.s
George Gastineau was related to George Lewis Gastineau in some as-yet-unknown way, possibly as a great-nephew
. [See that lineage under Pierre Gastineau]. His father was possibly Job Gastineau Sr. and his mother was possibly Elizabeth Nutterwell [Janice Budd, Ancestors of George (Sr.) Gastineau].
He was born 1774(?) possibly in Washington County, Virginia [Budd, Ancestors of George (Sr.) Gastineau].
The name of his 1st wife is still unknown - but it was NOT Sally Caraway. They apparently were married 1795-1796 in Virginia.
He brought his 1st wife and children to Kentucky from Virginia in 1807. In 1807, George brought his first wife and children from Virginia (county unknown) to Pulaski County, Kentucky.
He appeared on the tax list of 1808 in Pulaski County, Kentucky [Pulaski County, Kentucky Tax Lists].
George appears on the 1810 census in Pulaski County, Kentucky, p. 147:
Gastinue, George Males: under 10 - 2, 26-45 - 1; Females: 10-16 - 1 , 26-45 - 1; Others (exc. Indians & slaves) - 1
The earliest deed on record for him is dated 29 July 1811 in Pulaski County, Kentucky; he and his 1st wife are reportedly buried on that farm, but there are no surviving grave markers.
He appears on all tax lists of Pulask County for 1810-1815 & 1818-1829 [Pulaski County, Kentucky Tax Lists].
He married 2nd Mary Roper, daughter of David Roper, in 1811 Pulaski County, Kentucky.
He appears on the 1820 census in Pulaski County, Kentucky, p. 48:
Gastineau, George Males: under 10 - 1, 16-18 - 1, 16-26 - 1, over 45 - 1; Females: under 10 - 1, 10-16 - 1, 16-26 - 1; Slaves: Males under 14 - 2, females Females: under 14 - 2 Females: 14-26 - 1
He signed the marriage bond of Patience Morrow and his son, James Gastineau, 24 December 1821 Pulaski County, Kentucky [Ruth M. Slevin (comp), Pulaski County, Kentucky Marriage Bonds, 1787-1860 (Indianpolis: The Author, 1956), p. 68].
He witnessed several land deeds on 15 August 1825 Flat Lick Creek, Pulaski County, Kentucky [Pulaski County, Kentucky, Deed Books, Book 6, pp. 47-50].
He appears on the 1830 census in Pulaski County, Kentucky, p. 14: Gastineu, George Males: under 5 - 1, 50-60 - 1, 5-10 - 1; Females: under 5 - 1, 10-15 - 1 , 30-40 - 1
He received a land-grant of 50 A. on Rockcastle River [Book R-2, p. 119] on 27 February 1833 and another 25 A. [Book R-2, p. 118] on 28 February 1833 Pulaski County, Kentucky [Jillson, Willard Rouse, The Kentucky Land Grants, . . . 1782-1924 (Louisville, KY: Standard Printing Co, 1925), Kentucky Land Warrants (1816-1873), p. 559].
He appeared on the 1840 census in Pulaski County, Kentuckyp. 302:
Gastinew, George agriculture - 2 Males: 10-15 - 1 60-70 - 1; Females: under 5 - 1 5-10 - 1 10-15 - 1 40-50 - 1
"On June 18, 1849, Green McAlister deeded to John Cundiff, Willie Eastham, and George Gastineau a plot of ground one and one-half miles from Somerset on the Crab Orchard Road. On this lot was built the Caney Fork Christian Church. This building was destroyed by a storm" on 18 June 1849 Pulaski County, Kentucky [Pulaski County Historical Research, Book 2, p. 111].
He appeared on the 1850 census in Pulaski County, Kentucky, p. 61:
Gastinew, George, 73 yrs, b. Virginia, Farmer (real estate = $600) Polly, wife, 55 yrs, b. North Carolina Elizabeth, dau, 12 yrs, b. Kentucky
He received 11 A. on Buck Creek [Book 42, p. 224] on 27 March 1854 Pulaski County, Kentucky, and another 11 A. on Flat Lick Creek [Book 58, p. 475] on 13 November 1859 [Jillson, Kentucky Land Grants, Grants in the County Order Books (1836-1924), p. 1267].
He appeared on the 1860 census in Pulaski County, Kentucky, p. 303:
Gastinue, George, 84 yrs, b. Virginia, Farmer (real estate = $1,000) Mary, wife, 65 yrs, b. Kentucky
He died 1860-1870 Pulaski County, Kentucky. An early news clipping, now lost, says he died at age 98 -- but he has not been found in the 1870 census.
His widow, Mary, was living with her daughter, Martha, in Greene County, Indiana in the 1870 census. Presumably, she traveled there from Kentucky to be with family.
- A. Anna Gastineau was born c.1797 Virginia. She married Thomas Clare on 11 June 1816 Pulaski County, Kentucky.
- B. James Gastineau was born 2 December 1801 in Virginia.
- C. William Flint(?) Gastineau was born 6 December 1803 Virginia [Pulaski County Historical Society, Pulaski County, Kentucky, Cemetery Records (Somerset, KY: Pulaski County Historical Society, 1976)]. He was known as "Billy Flint." He married Anna Claunch, 12 August 1831 Pulaski County, Kentucky [Ancestral File]. He died 8 September 1897 Pulaski County, Kentucky, and was buried in the Gastineau-Gilliland Cemetery [Pulaski County Historical Society, Pulaski County, Kentucky, Cemetery Records].
- D. Jane Gastineau was born in 1804 Virginia. She married Abel Gilliland, 4 February 1822 Pulaski County, Kentucky. She died 19 September 1848 near Mark, Pulaski County, Kentucky.
- E. Nancy Gastineau was born 1817? Pulaski County, Kentucky. She married Jefferson Hargis 4 March 1833 Pulaski County, Kentucky [according to the Pulaski County, Kentucky Court Records, but the marriage does not appear in the marriage book].
- F. Charles Gastineau was born 2 August 1819 Pulaski County, Kentucky. He married Cerelda Morrow, daughter of Adam Morrow and Hannah Boone, 21 November 1843 Greene County, Indiana [Greene County, Indiana, Marriage Records, Book D, p. 39; Ancestral File].
- G. Rachel Gastineau was born 1820-1830 Pulaski County, Kentucky. She married Joseph Randall 17 May 1847 Pulaski County, Kentucky.
- H. H. Henry Gastineau was born 1827? Pulaski County, Kentucky.
- I. Martha Ann Gastineau was born 1834? Pulaski County, Kentucky.
- J. Elizabeth Gastineau was born 14 March 1839 Pulaski County, Kentucky. She married 1st Moses Matison Botkin, 2 March 1854 Pulaski County, Kentucky [Pulaski County, Kentucky Marriage Records]. She married 2nd James Sutterfield Missouri (separated, no children). She died 27 May 1917 in Missouri."
4. Flossie Oakes, Gastineau Family 2nd Edition (1973/4).
His oldest child (Jane) was born 1804 in Virginia (and his wife may have had a miscarriage the following year); he appears on the 1807 tax list in Pulaski County. He presumably migrated, therefore, 1806 or 1807. (Earliest deed on record for him is dated 29 July 1811.)
A number of suggestions have been made by family researchers as to the identity of his 1st wife, but no supporting evidence has yet been found for any of them.
He & Mary are buried on the family farm. An early news clipping, now lost, says he died at age 98 -- but he is not found on the 1870 census, and probably died 1860-1870.
THE GASTINEAU MYSTERY
Job Gastineau Sr. was born c.1755 probably in Virginia (claims that he was born in France are unlikely, seemingly based only on his surname), the oldest son of George Lewis Gastineau (b. 1715 London), a Huguenot who came to America in 1740 as a British soldier in the War of Jenkins' Ear. A number of court and tax documents place Job in Washington Co., Virginia, from 1781 to 1807. He apparently migrated to Pulaski County, Kentucky, about 1808 (certainly before 1810, when he patented land there) -- about the same time George moved his own family.
It appears obvious that George was a close relation to Job -- but they seem to be too close in age to be father & son, and George is not recorded as a much younger son of George Lewis Gastineau (even though he carries the same first name). Job Sr. is recorded as having only four sisters, no brothers, so it also seems unlikely they could be uncle/nephew. Because of the rarity of the Gastineau name, it's very unlikely that they belonged to separate and unrelated families.
A great deal of research has been done on Job's line, including another three generations back into France, so real evidence of the relationship between George and Job Gastineau would be very welcome!
George Gastineau (c1775 - 1867)'s Timeline
Washington County, Province of Virginia, (Present USA)
<Princess Ann, Virginia>
December 2, 1801
December 16, 1803
February 4, 1804
December 5, 1813
Pulaski Co, Ky
August 2, 1819