Guy I de Vermandois, comte de Soissons

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Guy I de Vermandois, comte de Soissons

French: Gui de Vermandois, comte de Soissons
Birthdate: (49)
Birthplace: Vermandois, Neustria
Death: June 13, 989 (45-53)
Soissons, Aisne, Picardie, France
Immediate Family:

Son of Héribert II, count of Vermandois and Adèle de France
Husband of Adelaide de Soissons
Father of Renaud de Vermandois, comte de Soissons and Guy de Bar-sur-Aube
Brother of Adele of Vermandois; Adalbert I the Pious, count of Vermandois; Luitgarde of Vermandois; Heribert Iii "le Vieux", comte d'Omois, Comte de Meaux et Troyes; Eudes, count of Vienne & Amiens and 1 other
Half brother of Count Robert de Vermandois, comte de Meaux et de Troyes

Occupation: Comte de Soissons, Count of Soissons
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About Guy I de Vermandois, comte de Soissons

Although many internet sources list Guy Comte de Soissons as the son of Adalbert (Albert) I de Vermandois and his wife Gerberge, both FMG Medieval Lands database and Wikipedia position him as a son of Heribert II de Vermandois, Count of Vermandois, and Adela, daughter of Robert I of France, based upon Dormay's 1664 history of Soissons.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#_Toc480785789 (3 Nov 2017)

GUY [I], son of [HERIBERT [II] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adela [Capet]] (-after [986]). Dormay, in his Histoire de la ville de Soissons, records that "M. Renaut…dit avoir vu un manuscrit de Sainte-Croix d’Offemont, lequel ne se trouve plus" in which "Guy Comte de Soissons est appellé fils de Heribert Comte de Vermandois"[578]. Comte de Soissons. "…Wido comes…" confirmed the charter dated Jun 974 under which Lothaire King of the West Franks confirmed the privileges of the monastery of Saint-Thierry near Reims[579]. Lothaire King of the West Franks confirmed the privileges of the monastery of Saint-Eloy de Noyon, established by "piæ memoriæ nepos noster Lyudulfus Noviomanorum episcopus…assentientibus fratribus suis nepotibus nostris Alberto Viromandensi comite et Guidone", by charter dated to [980/986], signed by "Alberti Viromandensis comitis, Guidonis fratris eius…"[580]. "Adalbertus comes, Heriberti comitis, Vidonis comitis…" subscribed the charter dated to [980] under which "Adalbertus comes…in meo Virodumensi comitatu" founded the abbey of Mont-Saint-Quentin near Péronne[581]. He visited Rome in the mid-980s: Gerbert requested "Stephano Romanæ æcclesiæ diacono" to return books to him by "Guidonem Suessonicum comitem", dated to late 984[582].

m [as her first husband, ADELISA, daughter of GILBERT/GISELBERT Comte & his wife ---. The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Nocherius seu Nocherus, Achardi filius" married in 992 "Alaidem comitissam Suessionensem, filiam comitis Gilberti, viduam Guidonis Viromanduensis, et matrem Rainaudi comitis Suessionensem"[583]. If this is correct, she married secondly (992) Nocher [I] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube. However, according to Europäische Stammtafeln[584], the wife of Comte Nocher was the daughter of Guy Comte de Soissons, although the primary source on which this is based is unknown. The identity of Adelisa’s supposed father has not been traced.] Guy & his wife had [two] children:

a) [ADELISA de Soissons . According to the Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, the wife of Nocher [I] Comte de Bar-sur-Seine was the widow of Guy Comte de Soissons who married Nocher as her second husband "en 992"[585]. However, according to Europäische Stammtafeln[586], the wife of Nocher was the daughter of Guy Comte de Soissons, although the primary source on which this is based is not known. It is uncertain which version is correct, but as noted below under Renaud Comte de Soissons there are indications that the Acta Sanctorum version provides a more credible explanation of events. m NOCHER [I] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube, son of ACHARD & his wife [Achardia ---].]

b) [RENAUD de Soissons ([985/92]-early 1057). The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Nocherius seu Nocherus, Achardi filius" married in 992 "Alaidem comitissam Suessionensem, filiam comitis Gilberti, viduam Guidonis Viromanduensis, et matrem Rainaudi comitis Suessionensem"[587]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[588], he was Renaud, possible son of Nocher Comte de Bar-sur-Aube & his wife Adelisa Ctss de Soissons. This is consistent with the same source stating that Nocher’s wife was the daughter, not the widow, of Guy Comte de Soissons, but the primary source (if any) on which the information is based has not been identified. As Renaud named his son Guy, it appears more likely that the Acta Sanctorum version is correct. Comte de Soissons. Henri I King of France donated the churches in "villa…Carcrisia…Corciaci atque…Colomellæ…Colisiaci…Bruelii atque…Nantoilo" to Notre-Dame de Soissons by charter dated 18 May 1057, which records that "mortuis eodem anno Rainaldo comite et eius filio Vuidone et obsessa turre Suession. ab Henrico rege"[589]. m ([after Feb 1031]) ---. The name of Renaud's wife is not known. Two sources may provide some indication of the family connections of Renaud’s wife. Firstly, the Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis which names "comes Suessionis et comes de Dommartin et comes de Ronaco et Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina" as brothers ("fratres") of "Helduino comiti de Ramerut", naming "Rainaldum comitem Suessionis et Iohannem, qui fratri successit in comitatum, et Manassem Suessionensem episcopum et filias" as the children of "supradictus comes Suessionis Guilermus…frater iam dicti Helduini"[590]. It is clear from other sources that Guillaume Comte de Soissons descended from the family of the dukes of Normandy. The only way in which the Genealogiæ could make sense is if "fratres" can be interpreted as including brothers-in-law (an interpretation which has been observed and confirmed as correct in other cases). If that is correct, it is possible that Renaud’s wife had married firstly, as his second wife, Hilduin [III] Seigneur de Ramerupt. If this is correct, Renaud would have married after 1032, the last date when Hilduin [II] is recorded. This timing appears to fit with the general chronology of the Soissons family, although if it is correct it is likely that Hilduin’s widow would have been Renaud’s second wife. Secondly, one version of the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium (Continuatio) names “Manasses Remensium archiepiscopus, electi Manassæ avunculus”[591], the latter referring to Manassès Bishop of Cambrai and later Bishop of Cambrai, who was Renaud’s grandson, and the former to Manassès Archbishop of Reims who was the son of Manassès “le Chauve” Vidame de Reims (see the document CHAMPAGNE NOBILITY). It appears unlikely that the family connection was through the Normandy family of Renaud’s son-in-law Guillaume “Busac” d’Eu. On the other hand, the connection may have been through the previous generation, asssuming that “avunculus” in the source in question can be interpreted loosely. This second hypothesis would also provide an explanation for the introduction of the name Manassès into the family of the comtes de Soissons. If this hypothesis is correct, Renaud’s wife was ---, niece of Guy Archbishop of Reims, daughter of ---. Renaud & his wife had [two] children:

i) GUY [II] de Soissons (-early 1057). Comte de Soissons. "…Guidone comite Suessionis…" witnessed a charter dated to [1042/44] under which "Guanilo thesaurarius Sancti Martini" donated property[592]. Henri I King of France donated the churches in "villa…Carcrisia…Corciaci atque…Colomellæ…Colisiaci…Bruelii atque…Nantoilo" to Notre-Dame de Soissons by charter dated 18 May 1057, which records that "mortuis eodem anno Rainaldo comite et eius filio Vuidone et obsessa turre Suession. ab Henrico rege"[593]. ii) [ADELA (-[1105]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Busacius” plotted rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy, who besieged “castrum Oucis” and forced Guillaume into exile with Henri I King of France, who granted him “comitatum Suessionis...cum quadam nobili coniuge”[594]. This source does not link the grant of the county of Soissons to Guillaume’s marriage to the heiress of the county, nor does the wording of the passage even imply that connection although such a link is the most obvious explanation for the grant. No other primary source has yet been identified which confirms her parentage and marriage. If Guillaume’s wife was the heiress of Soissons, the chronology suggests that she could have been the sister of Comte Guy [II], although she could also have been a more remote relation. She is named Adela in secondary sources but no primary source has been identified which confirms that this name is correct. m GUILLAUME "Busac" d'Eu, son of GUILLAUME Comte d'Hiémois et d'Eu [Normandy] & his wife Lesceline de Tourville (-[1076]).]


Sources

  • [578] Dormay (1664), Vol. II, Livre V, Chap. I, p. 3.
  • [579] RHGF, Tome IX, XXIV, p. 634.
  • [580] RHGF, Tome IX, XLI, p. 654.
  • [581] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, col. 359.
  • [582] Gerbert, 40, p. 38.
  • [583] Acta Sanctorum, September VIII, p. 720.
  • [584] ES III 729 A.
  • [585] Acta Sanctorum, September VIII, p. 720.
  • [586] ES III 729 A.
  • [587] Acta Sanctorum, September VIII, p. 720.
  • [588] ES III 729 A.
  • [589] Germain (1675), Preuves, p. 436.
  • [590] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 11 and 12, MGH SS XIII, p. 254.
  • [591] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium Continuatio, Gesta Pontificum abbreviata per canonicum Cameracensem, 8, MGH SS VII, p. 505.
  • [592] Marmoutier-Dunois XXII, p. 22.
  • [593] Germain (1675), Preuves, p. 436.
  • [594] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VII, XX, p. 277.


Wikipedia (3 Nov 2017)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_I,_Count_of_Soissons

Guy I, Count of Soissons

Guy I (d. after 986), son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, and Adele, daughter of Robert I of France. Count of Soissons, inherited from his father upon his death in 943.[1] There is considerable confusion about both Guy’s parentage. Another source claims that Guy was the grandson of Herbert II, being the son of Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois,[2] although there is no evidence that Adalbert was a Count of Soissons.

Little is known about Guy. His name appears in a 974 charter in which Lothair of France confirmed the privileges of monastery of Saint-Thierry near Reims. Lothair also confirmed the monastery of Saint-Eloy de Noyon in memory of Guy’s nephew Liudolf of Vermandois, Bishop of Noyon and Tournai. Guy founded the abbey at Saint-Quentin near Péronne, and visited Rome in the mid-980s.

Guy married Adelisa, the daughter of a Count Giselbert of which nothing is known. Guy and Adelisa had one daughter: Adelise, Countess of Soissons. Upon his death, Adelisa assumed the lead of the Count of Soissons. Guy was the last of the Carolingian Counts of Soissons, his daughter known as an Angevins.

References

  • "COMTES de SOISSONS". Comtes de Soissons.
  • Moriarty, George A. (1985). The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa. Salt Lake City: Mormon Pioneer Genealogy Society.

External links

Dormay, C., Histoire de la ville de Soissons et de ses rois, ducs, comtes et gouverneurs, Soissons, 1664



            
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