Hawise de Longchamp

Hawise, widow of Henry de Longchamp of Wilton

We don’t know the origins of Hawise, Henry Longchamps (d 1637) 2nd wife. She married 2) Morgan de Caerleon in 1238 3) Henry de Sudbury? [Subbor'/ Subbur'] 4) widow of Sir Robert de Gournay (1205 - 22 Apr 1269)

She was probably the mother of Maud, heiress of Wilton, who married Reynold de Grey, and probably not the mother of Anselm de Gournay.

Biography

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/ZaKi8O9QYFA/m/...

John Watson, Apr 12, 2011, 5:54:38 PM

Hi all,

I am wondering if anyone can help me figure out who this lady was.

Henry de Longchamp of Wilton, Herefordshire died before 31 July 1237, when the bishop of Worcester was granted the custody of his lands and heir during the minority of the heir [1]. Henry's heir was his daughter Maud, who subsequently married Sir Reynold de Grey, ancestor of the family of Grey of Wilton [2]. In December 1230, Henry de Longchamp had given 50 marks to having to wife Joan, who was the wife of Thomas of Birkin [3]. Whether Joan actually married him is not clear, although most pedigrees of the Longchamp family make Joan the mother of Maud de Longchamp. However, when Henry de Longchamp died, he left a widow named Hawise, who may have been the mother of Maud.

On 23 March 1238, Hawise late the wife of Henry de Longo Campo had licence to marry Morgan de Karlyon [4]. Morgan de Caerleon (Morgan ap Hywel) died, apparently childless, before 15 March 1248 [5].

Hawise, who continued to use the name of Longchamp, next appears in records in the ecclesiastical court of Canterbury in 1254, apparently trying to obtain a divorce from Henry de Sudbury? [Subbor'/ Subbur'] [6]. She was unsuccessful in obtaining a divorce, but did not accept the court's decision and was subsequently excommunicated. The sentence of excommunication was later suspended on 6 December 1254 when she appealed against the verdict [7]. How this case turned out is not stated.

Whether she was divorced, or whether Henry died, I don't know, but Hawise later turns up again in 1269 as the widow of Robert de Gurney [Gurnay / Gournay] of Beverstone, Gloucestershire. On 26 May 1269 William Ernaldi was granted the marriage of Hawise de Longo Campo, late the wife of Robert Curtenay [Gurnay], tenant in chief, or of any fine she may make with the king for the marriage or the forfeiture due if she marry without the licence of him or the said William [8]. On 15 June 1269 the king granted her reasonable dower from Robert's lands [9]. Hawise is given as the mother of Robert's heir Anselm in all pedigrees of the Gurney family, but this is not possible. Anselm was of full age in 1269, when the king granted him the lands of Robert his father [10], so was born before 1249. As can be seen above, Hawise was married to Morgan ap Hywel at this time.

So, does any one have any idea who this much married lady might be?

Regards,

John

Notes

https://finerollshenry3.org.uk/content/search/do_text_search

• 41/823 (30 June 1257) [No date]. Herefordshire. Hawisia de Longchamp gives the king half a mark for having a writ drafted by H. of Bratton against Reginald de Grey before the justices of the Bench. Order to the sheriff of Herefordshire etc.
• 42/856 (20 July 1258) [No date]. Herefordshire. Hawise de Longchamp gives half a mark for a writ ad terminum. Order to the sheriff of Herefordshire etc.
• 42/867 (24 July 1258) [No date]. Herefordshire. Hawise de Longchamp gives half a mark for a writ ad terminum. Order to the sheriff of Herefordshire to take etc. By the justiciar of England.
• 50/152 (06 February 1266) [No date]. Essex. Hawisa who was the wife of Osbert de Dayeworth gives one mark for having an appeal at the Bench. Order to the sheriff of Essex.
• 50/248 (28 March 1266) 28 March. Westminster. Concerning homage which has been taken. The king has taken the homage of Hawisa first-born and one of the heiresses of Hugh de Palested’, lately deceased, held of the king in chief for the third part of the lands and tenements which the aforementioned Hugh her father held of the king in chief and the king has rendered the third part of the same with appurtenances to the same Hawisa. Order to Master William of Clifford, escheator this side of the Trent, that having accepted security from the aforementioned Hawisia for her rendering reasonable relief at his Exchequer, to cause the same Hawisia to have full seisin without delay of a third part of all the aforesaid lands and tenements and of the third part of other lands and tenements of which the aforementioned Hugh her father was seised in his demesne as of fee on the day he died and which were taken into the king’s hand by reason of his death, retaining in the king’s hand two parts of the lands and tenements formerly of the aforementioned Hugh and which fall to the two younger daughters of the same Hugh and co-heiresses of the same for the lands and tenements formerly of the aforesaid Hugh until ordered otherwise.
• 51/212 (15 January 1267) [No date]. Nottinghamshire. Hawisa who was the wife of John Russel gives half a mark for an assize to be taken before Richard of Middleton. Order to the sheriff of Nottinghamshire etc.
• 52/54 (16 November 1267) [No date]. Devon. William Walerand and Hawisa his wife give half a mark for an assize to be taken before M. of Littlebury. Order to the sheriff of Devon etc.
• 53/331 (18 May 1269) 18 May. Windsor. For the executors of Robert de Gurney. To the king’s beloved and faithful J. le Moyne escheator this side of the Trent. Whereas the venerable father and bishop of London (‘Landinium’), Hawisa who was the wife of Robert de Gurney lately deceased who held of the king in chief, and their co-executors of the testament of the aforesaid Robert have done surety to the king for the debts in which the same Robert was bound to the king on the day he died to be rendered at the Exchequer by Roger, William Belet, Nicholas Burdun and William de Waldebuf’. Order to cause the aforesaid executors to have full and free administration without delay of the goods and chattels formerly of the aforesaid Robert in his bailiwick on the day he died.

Research Notes

"Parnel, who was the wife of William Longchamp, claims against Reynold de Grey and Maud his wife the third part of the Castle of Wilton, etc., and against Hawise Longchamp (widow of Henry Longchamp) the third part of land in Wilton." 1

This was 54 years after William died, when she was married to her third husband Oliver de Yaux, and had outlived two generations at Wilton. At last in 1262 she died, leaving her son and heir Henry Longchamp 50 years old or more. 2 If he was born only just before his father died, he must have been 58, and, as will appear later, he was most probably an elder son. If Parnel married in 1190, as Stubbs thought (she was certainly married by 1194), she must have been about 90 when she died.

Henry Longchamp (son of William and Parnel).

---

Family

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#_Toc38...

a)         ROBERT de Gournay (-[1269]).  The 1227 Pipe Roll records "Robertus de Gurnaco filius et hæres Thomæ de Harpetrie" and "Robertus de Gurnay hæres Evæ de Gurnay" making returns[1079].  Stapleton quotes (in translation) the donation by “Robert de Gurnay, son and heir of Eva de Gurnay” of the advowson of Inglishcombe church to Bermondsey monastery, for the souls of “Thomas my father, Eva my mother, Hawisia de Gurnay my grandmother”, dated 1227[1080].  "Robertus de Gurnay heres Mauricii de Gaunt" protested that “juris...in tribus hundredis de Beminstr, Hareclive et de Porbir” reverted to “Thomam de Berkel” after the death of Maurice, but his claim was rejected, dated 1230[1081].  His claim was presumably dismissed because these properties were the subject of the charter dated to the reign of King John under which “Maurice de Gant” granted “the three hundreds...Bedminster, Portbury and Hareclive” [in Somerset], which “Robert Fitzharding gave to Robert Juvenis his father”, to “Thomas de Berkeley” provided the grantor died without an heir[1082]. 

m HAWISE de Longchamp, daughter of ---.  Gurney names "Hawisa de Longchamp" as the wife of Robert de Gournay, commenting "of what family of Longchamp she was does not appear, but probably of the baronial family of that name seated at Wilton in Herefordshire”[1083]. 

Robert & his wife had one child: 

i)          ANSELM de Gournay (-before 28 Oct 1286).

References.

• 1. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 3, p. 190
• 2. Complete Peerage, Vol. 6, p. 173
• 3. Calendar of Fine Rolls, 15 Henry III, No. 58
• 4. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 3, p. 214
• 5. David Crouch, ‘Iorwerth ab Owain (d. 1175x84)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004
• 6. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: volume 8: 1253-1254 (1929), pp.101, 309
• 7. Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/195/9735
• 8. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 6, p. 346
• 9. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: volume 14: 1268-1272 (1938) pp. 55-61
• 10. Calendar of Fine Rolls, 53 Henry III, No. 394
• '1269, membranes 17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9', in Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry III: Volume 6, 1266-1272, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1913), pp. 336-357. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-pat-rolls/hen3/vol6/pp336-357 [accessed 16 August 2020].
• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115154045/robert-de_gournay
• http://powys.org/pl_tree/ps32/ps32_394.html
• 122. “Lives of the Berkeleys,” John Smyth, pub 1883 by Bristol etc Arch Soc
• Archaeologia cantiana by Kent Archaeological Society. cn Publication date 1923 Publisher [London] Kent Archaeological Society Volume 36. Page 16. “Longchamp Pedigree.” Archive.Org Hawise is listed as 2nd wife of Henry Longchamp d 1237.
• Battle Abbey Roll This Robert de Gournay, who held in all no fewer than twenty-two and a half knight's fees, was several times summoned to serve against the Welsh; and built the hospital of Gaunt, near Bristol, for he health of the soul of his uncle Maurice. By his wife, Hawise de Longchamp, he left Anselm his heir, the husband of Sybil de Vivonne, and the father of John de Gournay, with whom the elder line terminated. The latter left only a daughter, Elizabeth, the wife of John ap-Adam, who is said to have "profusely squandered away" much of the great inheritance that came to her in 1291.